[Tenniru]

Nope, no speed change. The only thing I did was move Special Stage forward so it starts on count one of the second measure of HPZ (which has that one-measure introduction).

[MathUser]

I kind of hated to switch sides but:

http://info.sonicretro.org/images/c/cd/Son...Harticle4GB.jpg

This clip seems to imply that during sonic cd's early days people thought it was a port of sonic 2. I guess due to sega being stingy with information. Also, it may have been the second sonic game announced to be in development which led people to call it sonic 2.

[Adamis]

They call Amy "Rosy". It's the second time I see a magazine calling her like that.

[drx]

MathUser, on Jun 2 2008, 07:53 PM, said:

I kind of hated to switch sides but:

http://info.sonicretro.org/images/c/cd/Son...Harticle4GB.jpg

This clip seems to imply that during sonic cd's early days people thought it was a port of sonic 2. I guess due to sega being stingy with information. Also, it may have been the second sonic game announced to be in development which led people to call it sonic 2.

Check. Mate. =P

[Ayla]

there's still no absolute proof of it "existing" or "not existing". Speculation is not fact and until we can prove without a doubt one way or the other. The argument is pointless as it's all based on theories from two different sides. Theories don't hold any ground in this community any longer. The confusion between the two, however, does seem like a logical explanation.

[PicklePower]

drx, on Jun 2 2008, 02:26 PM, said:

MathUser, on Jun 2 2008, 07:53 PM, said:

I kind of hated to switch sides but:

http://info.sonicretro.org/images/c/cd/Son...Harticle4GB.jpg

This clip seems to imply that during sonic cd's early days people thought it was a port of sonic 2. I guess due to sega being stingy with information. Also, it may have been the second sonic game announced to be in development which led people to call it sonic 2.

Check. Mate. =P

What magazine is that from? And why is its grammar so bad?

[Tweaker]

MathUser, on Jun 2 2008, 01:53 PM, said:

I kind of hated to switch sides but:

http://info.sonicretro.org/images/c/cd/Son...Harticle4GB.jpg

This clip seems to imply that during sonic cd's early days people thought it was a port of sonic 2. I guess due to sega being stingy with information. Also, it may have been the second sonic game announced to be in development which led people to call it sonic 2.

Wow, okay, that makes sense.

So with that established, do we really need a Sonic 2 CD article? I mean, this pretty much proves that it never existed, and that it was simply a misinterpreted announcement for Sonic CD.

I don't think Sonic CD was the second ever announced Sonic game, though, because they were describing Sonic CD being an "enhanced" version of Sonic 2, meaning Sonic 2 was already announced at that point.

[MathUser]

I think the article should be preserved, cause we can't be 100 percent sure that it wasn't real. The disney adventures article shown in another thread shows the development of sonic 2 and it also shows graphics that EGM says was displayed in a cutscene used to promote sonic 2 cd.

http://info.sonicretro.org/Image:Disney_Ad...ureSonic2CD.PNG

Sonic 2 was created almost entirely in america, and I think sonic cd was created entirely in japan. There was little interaction between the two. I wonder why Sonic cd would use spriteart created in america? Or did US import that sprite art to US instead and happen to have it handy while disney was there?

Edit: that magazine article I linked to in my previous post was from some magazine called MegaTech, hence the file name.

This post has been edited by MathUser: 02 June 2008 - 05:45 PM

[ICEknight]

Adamis, on Jun 2 2008, 02:17 PM, said:

They call Amy "Rosy". It's the second time I see a magazine calling her like that.

Didn't her nickname use to be "Rosey the rascal"?I think I read that somewhere (Sonic the fighters?).

MathUser, on Jun 2 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

Sonic 2 was created almost entirely in america, and I think sonic cd was created entirely in japan. There was little interaction between the two. I wonder why Sonic cd would use spriteart created in america? Or did US import that sprite art to US instead and happen to have it handy while disney was there?

The less farfetched explanation would be that the sprite art shown wasn't connected to either Sonic 2 or Sonic CD...

[MathUser]

yes, but according to egm, the sprite art was connected to one of them...

[Phos]

MathUser, on Jun 2 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

http://info.sonicretro.org/Image:Disney_Ad...ureSonic2CD.PNG

I'm wondering if those screen images are simulated. You'd think that at lease one of the two monitors would have a scan line visible, but it was a professional photographer, so I wouldn't count it out on that alone.

Keep in mind, the majority of gamers back then were much younger than they are now, so magazines seldom checked their facts. If you really want to know, surely there's an author listed for the article, you could try contacting them. Sure, it's been a while, but I doubt that someone would forget whether a game did or did not exist (I'm not convinced there ever was a Sonic 2 CD). And I can't ell exactly, but I think that sprite of Sonic is from the Sonic CD save screen. Also, I don't recognize the Zone from the picture, but my knowledge of Sonic is hardly encyclopedic. Does anyone recognize the zone from the picture?

[Shade]

I would remove the Sonic 2 CD article. It states that Sonic 2 CD is a canceled game for the Sega CD, and that's a ridiculous statement to make, especially at this point.

[Acaeris]

Couldn't you mark it as 'under investigation' or something similar (Kind of like how Wikipedia does citation needed) and just add a line to the article saying something along the lines of:

'Recent evidence suggests these articles could have been confusing work taking place of Sonic CD for enhanced material for Sonic 2. However, we have reserved this article due to conflicting evidence of what these screens were created for and what happened to them. This article should, therefore, be taken with a pinch of salt until clarified.'

As the screens were created for something but never used in anything and we've got no actual evidence of what they were actually for. It would be better to mark articles that change based on new evidence like this than to remove them with a note. You never know, someone might come to the forum fresh with those images, look in the Wiki, can't find them where he expects and posts about them again.

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As daft as it sounds, after looking at the screens, I was reminded of the various Mario playschool games... o_O

This post has been edited by Acaeris: 06 June 2008 - 07:18 AM

[MathUser]

Theres too many mentions of Sonic 2 CD in magazines to just get rid of the article. Also, this article I just found:

http://info.sonicretro.org/Image:Segavisio...aka2Cropped.jpg

Is from Sega visions, and they mention they got the info about Sonic 2 cd from their visit to STI, the ones that were working on Sonic 2. The special stages being described are the same as the ones used in the final version of Sonic 2.

There is a mention of sonic 2 CD possibly being non-existant in the article itself Aecaris.

Edit: Even Sega of America's then president Al Nilsen mentions the sega cd version of Sonic 2 cd in the below article: "A totally new edition of Sonic 2 for the Sega CD is also in development...."

http://www.sonic-cul...sgmakingof3.jpg

I think it's unlikely he's mixing up sonic 2 with sonic cd as he'd have to be ignorant of his companies biggest project at that time.

This post has been edited by MathUser: 06 June 2008 - 09:51 AM

[ICEknight]

"A totally new edition of Sonic 2"?

Wait a second... Just like Sonic 2 SMS wasn't anything like Sonic 2 MD, perhaps Sonic 2 CD was also supposed to be completely different (ie., our Sonic CD). I'm starting to think their intentions were indeed to (more or less simultaneously) release three different Sonic 2 games instead of two, but then the CD version took too long.

EDIT: Quoting the article:

Quote

All versions of Sonic 2 will have new zones, with new tricks, new enemies and new challenges.

Hmm.

This post has been edited by ICEknight: 06 June 2008 - 11:12 AM