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  1. SupperTails66

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    This was actually the subject of a chat I happened to be in recently. I'll quote the explanation given there because I don't think anyone would object to the knowledge being shared, but do note that this is one person giving an off-the-cuff paraphrase of someone else's explanation and isn't necessarily 100% accurate:

    I'm not an expert on the topic, so if you want gorier details than that, I suggest you ask on the PC Engine Software Bible forum.

    For the record, the image captions on that article are:

    1. "Pause during the game and input the command below."
    2. "Look, the screen's split into two. The left edge of it is cut off."
    3. "An enlargement of one of the screens. You can barely make out the message."

    The main article is largely just saying the same things with more detail.

    The fact that there are two screens instead of four is obviously a discrepancy, but it's possible that this specific game is doing additional manipulations with HBlank interrupts to eliminate the lower screens. I have no familiarity with it, though, so I'm afraid all I can do is speculate.
     
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  2. Overlord

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    I'm confused. Why would you want to render 4 screens at once? Can't you only ever see three of them?
     
  3. BSonirachi

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    So if both this and the scan are correct, then that means TurboNyma's attempt at rendering the display mode is the most accurate one then. Now I have to question why such a feature exists in some games when there really isn't any practical use for it.
     
  4. doc eggfan

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    According to someone in the comments, this is based on the PC Engine

     
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  5. BSonirachi

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    I'm exhausted...

    Throughout the past three months following NEC Retro's revival I've been filling up the Hidden Content category with as much content as possible to bring it up to Sega Retro's standards, primarily for the PC Engine and CD-ROM² games. Lots of different cheats that come from a variety of sources, including GameFAQs, TCRF, Twitter user @yamada_arthur, and even PC Engine Fan magazine, where I found out about this particular gem from Zero4 Champ:

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    Entering certain profane words as a name will cause the name to be censored in-game, complete with a censor bleep. The magazine stated that "SEX" will trigger this censorship, but I've tested that "FUCK" also works. From what I can tell, those are the only two English words that will do that - there may be some Japanese words that will also have this effect, at least based on what I can find in a hex editor:

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    However, there are still a few other pieces of hidden content out there that have to be documented, and some I've been unable to do due to requiring more complicated hacking, or a better understanding of Japanese in order to get to it (the large majority of games are only in Japanese, so I've had to bash my head through the language barrier many times to be able to verify most of it), and I hope someone who can understand Japanese better than I can will one day get them sorted.

    Also, almost every CD-ROM² game that has a page as of this post now has a title screenshot! This was something I decided to cover with all those hidden content pages, along with another project I wanted to do when that was done: documenting what happens when Super/Arcade CD-ROM² games are booted with the wrong System Card.

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    The overall structure of this is derived from the region coding pages on Sega Retro, and is similar in scope to how VGMuseum.com documents the error screens from these games, except our scope expands to every possible game that can be tested, because not every game has an error screen and may have other effects when the wrong System Card is used:
    • 11 games will display a blank screen when booted with the wrong System Card. While most of the blank screens are black, Super Real Mahjong Special boots to a pink screen.
    • 10 games will just loop back to the BIOS when attempting to start them, and at least two of them freeze it on the "JUST A MOMENT..." message.
    • 4 games will still start up, but end up as horribly broken messes with garbled graphics and possible crashes.
    • Strangely, 5 games will start up without any issues that I can see. They might need more testing to see how far they can go on the wrong System Card, which is a task for someone with more time.
    I couldn't get every one of them documented, however, and those are:
    • Akiyama Jin no Suugaku Mystery: Hihou Indo no Honoo o Shisyu Seyo! (there doesn't seem to be any dumps of this game on the internet from where I've searched, and according to Redump it's considered "undumped". It's known to have an error screen, but I have idea how VGMuseum managed to get a screenshot)
    • Godzilla (both Japanese and North American versions have scrolling marquees that fill up the whole screen and I don't know how to best display it - I might have to use GIFs like VGMuseum does, and it should be noted that I did a trial of that with Janshin Densetsu's error screen, so check it out)
    • The Kick Boxing (I did get the screenshot uploaded, but didn't make the compatibility page for it. Why? Because the game page is pending a possible merge with André Panza Kick Boxing)
    That said, there's a few more things out there with their own error screens that don't have pages, such as the 3-in-1 CD that came with the TurboDuo (it has a hidden fourth game on it, and most databases call it "4 in 1 Super CD"), and Bomberman '94 Special Version (a demo version of Bomberman '94). Those should be done. Now I need to take a load off.

    (also Chou Aniki and Travellers Densetsu o Buttobase still have broken pages please fix them)
     
  6. Rosiero

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    Because I guess I will forever have the mind of a twelve year old, I figured out the full list of no-no words for Zero4 Champ. As expected, most of them are Japanese words for sex acts and genitalia, but there's also a couple names of other game companies in there and a couple other weird things that I'm not sure what they refer to, but I gave my best guesses.

    The list is as follows:
    おまんこ (pussy)
    FUCK
    おめこ (pussy)
    みなよし ("Minayoshi"--possibly referring to Seitaro Minayoshi in the game's credits?)
    ぺにす (penis)
    くりとりす (clitoris)
    きんたま (balls)
    SEX
    せっくす (sex)
    せんずり (fapping)
    まんずり (schlicking)
    そうろう (premature ejaculation)
    ほうけい (phimosis)
    たんしょう ("short"? This can mean a few different things, but I guess it's referring to having a small dick?)
    ふぇらちお (fellatio)
    みかのへそ ("mikanoheso"... "heso" means bellybutton, so maybe it's "Mika no heso"? There is someone named Mika Nagiri in the credits. anyway, weird)
    なむこ (Namco)
    こなみ (Konami)
    えにっくす (Enix)
    ばんだい (Bandai)
    ひゅーまん (Human)
    ふぁみこん (Famicom)
    おなにー (masturbation)

    Some of these might be more commonly written in katakana, but the game doesn't care which you use, so I wrote them all down in hiragana.
     
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  7. BSonirachi

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    Oooh, cheers for going through all these! I can go ahead and put all these up onto the hidden content page as a table and link back to your post as a reference.

    Also lol at Konami being censored.
     
  8. Black Squirrel

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    Video game research is all about finding things accidentally.

    So the plan was to attempt to make sense of PC-9800 releases from around 1991-1993 on the off-chance there'd be DOS/V versions that in turn supported the Teradrive. It was a big ask. And an even bigger ask for me not to be distracted by something else.

    This list was borrowed from a Japanese website years ago, and I didn't fully translate it before getting bored. I've pushed a bit further on this second round, but I kept coming across the word TAKERU.

    TAKERU TAKERU TAKERU TAKERU. What's a TAKERU?




    So the Famicom Disk System - kind-of an oddity in the West, because it solved short-term problem we never really experienced - Famicom games being too big for cartridges... until they worked out how to make bigger cartridges. Nintendo opted for a proprietary disk system, and one of its main selling points was that you could go to a physcial vending machine and write a new game to disk. Spoilers: they weren't the only ones.

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    That's a Takeru.

    A vending machine that writes computer software to floppy disks. There may have been Takeru-only games.
     
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  9. Saad

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    I've been looking into that Takeru stuff for a couple months now, I got some Takeru magazines i was gonna mirror (eventually) to Retro CDN over on my User Page on NEC (which yall should check out and if u want, choose smth to work on, there's so much to do).

    There's so many wild things with Takeru, there were 3 types of vending machines made, and they not only wrote computer software to floppy disks, but also printed manuals for the games. They also switched to a steam-like system called "TAKERU at Home", which was sold in CD-ROM format and let you dowload a bunch of doujin games, it had a similar interface to the dismags of the era like Disc Station :p
     
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  10. Black Squirrel

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    Sonic Retro has clear and obvious limits, and even in 2010 I expected Sega Retro to be hilariously massive since there are thousands of known games. NEC Retro though? That's an unknown, and part of the reason why it exists - we don't know how many fingers this company had in the gaming pie.



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    I found a new finger. This is the NEC 電子手帳 PI-ET1, which according to the marketing, is an ELECTRONIC TOOL. It was released to little fanfare and had a lifespan measured in months. Unfortunately it's from Japan and that means even the footnotes have a legacy:


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    This thing had games. Luckily not many - the entire software library amounts to just eight (and only four of those are actually "games"), but apparently it's the law that every obscure Japanese system needs to have a Daisenrakyu title. Software came on dinky little cards, so is totally incompatible with every other NEC system ever made (although there is supposedly some rough PC-98 crossoever like file systems or whatever).


    This is within scope of NEC Retro, but given it wasn't much of a success, I think we can safely presume there won't be other obscure portable computing formats with their own line of software to worry about...








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    ...oh.
     
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  11. Pirate Dragon

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    These were covered in Micom Basic, so we have something to put on the pages, when the wiki works at least. For those wondering what the actual games looked like;

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    Have you heard of the Panasonic U1 word processor? It doesn't sound like Micom Basic had until they made this article. It's not Sega or NEC, but it did have games which have Sega or NEC versions, so we at least need to acknowledge it for "Non-Sega/NEC versions".

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  12. Black Squirrel

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    Yes there's a port of that Mahjong Goku game to the Panasonic U1 - I'll just fetch a phot-

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    So I heard you like undocumented video game platforms.

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    This is a Bungo Mini 5 (文豪mini5). There's more than one model - this is an RX. NEC considers these to be "typewriters", but it's an interesting definition.

    The good news is this version of Tetris has actually been preserved:
    https://archive.org/details/mini5-tetris


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    But it doesn't make the lineage any less terrifying.
     
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  13. Black Squirrel

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    Looks like the Japanese wikipedia groups some NEC word processors under the same banner, but not others.

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    I said the Canon Navi looks like a microwave. The PWP-100 from 1984 looks like a pizza oven. Or a kiln.

    First glance and I'm not convinced it's really related to the Bungo Mini line other than having the same manufacturer. Once you go back a certain amount you start getting exotic creatures like the NWP-20:

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    For James Bond villains to launch nuclear missiles.

    That wacky key layout is an "M System" keyboard, optimised for Japanese audiences. And don't worry, there's versions for computers we do care about:

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