I have a "theory"

Syren · Aug 2, 2004

I posted this at SOST (Secrets of Sonic Team) but I didn't get any actual decent feedback about it (other than "yeah I guess" and "Here's something cool with the Sonic 2 cart" etc . I did research this and found nothing, so here it is:-

I'm sorry if this has been said before but I have not found it anywhere.
The theory is: Sonic 3 was based on Sonic 2, maybe in the early stage.
Why do I say this? Well... :
1) The early proto shots had Sonic 2 sprites as place holders. Where this is one of my main points you could contradict this saying "Yes, but they were only there for either demonstration purposes or just untill the Sonic 3 sprites were finished or even made".

2) The level select includes Sonic 2 images on the soundtest screen. Big giveaway. If it wasn't based on Sonic 2 then why would they be there? To answer that, one could say "Just for demonstration purposes. They were there to demonstrate that Sonic 3 would be using the same layout in the Level Select screen and that they would still include pictures of the zones."

3) The left over Tails sprite from the Sonic 2 Continue screen. I cannot think of a reason why that would be there unless the game was origionaly based on Sonic 2.
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On two out of three of the point's I have made, I have tried to counter them as best as I could with a counter-argument. Could anyone tell me if I have missed anything, and what do you guys think?

EDIT: I got most of the information in my points from SOST and Sonicology. And to add to point two:

"Why, if the images in the Level Select screen are from Sonic 2, would they have been left in there if they were only place holders?'

SGR · Aug 3, 2004

Hmm... you have a good point. I believe the game itself wasn't, just the sprites, menus etc.

T.Q. · Aug 3, 2004

Well what if Sonic 3 was built by overwritting the levels, music, etc. of Sonic 2. Just like the Sonic 2 prototype which carries leftovers from Sonic 1?

I don't think it was based on Sonic 3, though.

Rika Chou · Aug 3, 2004

Ugh, actually it's already been technically prooven to be built off Sonic 2.

Quexinos · Aug 3, 2004

Yeah all Sonic games were built on the previous Sonic game before it.

Syren · Aug 3, 2004

Rika Chou said:

Ugh, actually it's already been technically prooven to be built off Sonic 2.
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Ah. I didn't know this (and I couldn't find anything on it either). Do you know a website in which it has the information?

T.Q. · Aug 3, 2004

Sonique Hedgehog said:

Yeah all Sonic games were built on the previous Sonic game before it.
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What about Sonic 3D?

Syren · Aug 3, 2004

T.Q. said:

Sonique Hedgehog said:

Yeah all Sonic games were built on the previous Sonic game before it.
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What about Sonic 3D?
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That is a very good point. The same question runs with Sonic Crackers. JoseTheBest mentioned in a conversation earlier on MSN that he had compared engines from Sonic 3 to Sonic 2, Sonic 2 to Sonic 1, etc. and that Crackers is completely different.

I cannot put this in a Quotation box as I promised however as something has deleted every folder and file from My Documents, which includes My Recieved Files and the conversation logs.

I will do some research into Sonic 3D and Crackers, and see what I come up with.

Kampfer · Aug 3, 2004

T.Q. said:

Sonique Hedgehog said:

Yeah all Sonic games were built on the previous Sonic game before it.
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What about Sonic 3D?
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It's a totaly diffrent engine, so of course it wouldn't be built off off the other 2D games. Usuing your logic, it would be reasonable to say that Sonic adventure was built from Sonic 1.

Sorry if I'm harsh, but use common sense.

SGR · Aug 3, 2004

The only realtion that Sonic 3D has (or had) with Sonic 3/& Knuckles is that most of the sounds are the same, and in a proto pic, it had a S3/&K title card and font.

Quexinos · Aug 4, 2004

Okay let me try it again since I apparently have to spell it out for people.

Sonic 2 was built of Sonic 1. Sonic 3 was built off Sonic 2. Sonic and Knuckles was built off Sonic 3. Sonic 3D was a different engine so it wasn't built off any of the previous games... WOW imagine that and I figured it out alll by myself.

Sonic Adventure 2 was built off Sonic Adventure... dunno about Heroes though.

LOst · Aug 4, 2004

Sonic 1 was built from an unknown source.

Sonic 1 version 2 was built to fix all the bugs known at the time.

Sonic 2 Beta was built from Sonic 1 version 2 with more fixes along the way.

Sonic 2 was modified. It had no more debug trace text. Different startup routines.

Sonic 3 is using Sonic 2's engine for the menus and title screen. The rest is rewritten to work better. Everything is much bigger.

Sonic & Knuckles is just an extension to Sonic 3, with a built in Sonic 2 version compatible with the way Knuckles works.

Sonic Crackers is not even based on Yuji Naka's Sonic engine.

Sonic CD is based on Sonic 1, but modified because they only got a few things from the Sonic 1 source. The rest they had to do themselves. And they did a poor job.

Sonic 3D is actually using much routines from the original Sonic. Built the same way. But it is not Sonic 3.

Hayate · Aug 4, 2004

LOst said:

Sonic & Knuckles is just an extension to Sonic 3, with a built in Sonic 2 version compatible with the way Knuckles works.
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I think S&K only contains S2's object placement and it uses the layout from the S2 cart. Dunno about the rings though.

JoseTB · Aug 4, 2004

LOst said:

Sonic 1 was built from an unknown source.
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I believed that it was built with the Ghost?n Ghouls engine.

POIZON THE HEDGEHOG · Aug 4, 2004

JoseTheBest said:

LOst said:

Sonic 1 was built from an unknown source.
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I believed that it was built with the Ghost?n Ghouls engine.
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really. what leads you to that belief?

JoseTB · Aug 4, 2004

E-110- Gemel said:

JoseTheBest said:

LOst said:

Sonic 1 was built from an unknown source.
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I believed that it was built with the Ghost?n Ghouls engine.
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really. what leads you to that belief?
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Similarities between the engines,and the fact that Naka did that game before he did s1.

Vangar · Aug 4, 2004

He would've had to speed it up a bit, that game's really slow.

The Wanderer · Aug 4, 2004

Kampfer said:

T.Q. said:

Sonique Hedgehog said:

Yeah all Sonic games were built on the previous Sonic game before it.
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What about Sonic 3D?
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It's a totaly diffrent engine, so of course it wouldn't be built off off the other 2D games. Usuing your logic, it would be reasonable to say that Sonic adventure was built from Sonic 1.
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Duh. Like all platformers, it's all based off pong. OBVIOUSLY. *shot* :P

Anyways, I do agree with Jose. From what I've gathered, it may not have been based off the same engine as Ghosts and Ghouls, definitely not, but it did have certain base aspects used. I may be completely off base however...

T.Q. · Aug 4, 2004

Well now, as we see, not all Sonic games are built off the previous version.

So the statement "all Sonic games were built on the previous Sonic game before it." is not 100% correct.

That's my purpose for the question "what about Sonic 3D". To point out an error.

Wetflame · Aug 13, 2004

Was Sonic 3D built off Sonic Labrynth =P

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