Sonic 1 Mastery for Neophytes

Jayextee · Feb 21, 2010

SamplingMasters Nix said:

Harsh, why be like that?
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Sonic Retro: Where we generally haven't played the retro Sonic games.

Iceguy · Feb 21, 2010

SamplingMasters Nix said:

Harsh, why be like that? It's not like the rules say, "Only people who have mastered Sonic 1 without the use of codes can be on the forum." That would be restricting membership for all Sonic Neophytes. Unless you suggest that being a member group. Sure, it can mean we can't be on the Engineering/Reverse Engineering threads, until we show proof of our mastery. But, that doesn't mean that we can't be on the other threads, right?
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Why shouldn't you/they have access the E&RE threads? You can actually learn from them quite much.

@Jay: I lol'd. :v:

nineko · Feb 21, 2010

Re: the two posts above

Quickman's other "claim to fame" is being the only Tech Member who has never completed at least one Sonic game which was made before 1994; the only Sonic games he has completed are Sonic R, and Sonic 2 "if you count Easy mode". When he recently purchased a second-hand Mega Drive from the Internet and attempted to play Sonic 2 on it, the inadequate power supply he was using to feed the beast died approximately halfway through Metropolis Zone; he finds this oddly prophetic. Mediums and diviners fully expect his ghost to haunt his final resting place, forever stuck on the very last boss in Death Egg Zone; they say his spirit will not rest until he completes the game.
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Retrieved from Quickman.

DigitalDuck · Feb 21, 2010

Blanche Hodapp said:

Mercury said:

Seriously, though - I wonder how many members here have never played Sonic 1 (or, for that matter, any of the 16-bit games). It would be interesting to know.
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Anyone who confesses to either of these should not be allowed on this forum.
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Mercury said:

Seriously, though - I wonder how many members here have never played Sonic 1 (or, for that matter, any of the 16-bit games). It would be interesting to know.
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Mercury said:

[...] never played Sonic 1 (or, for that matter, any of the 16-bit games)[...]
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Mercury said:

[...] never played Sonic[...]
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Who said anything about having to master these games before being allowed on this forum? All Blanche said was that you should've played these games.

Get your facts straight.

SamplingMasters Nix · Feb 21, 2010

I'm trying to say, if you don't master the classics, then what good is it for you to make hacks on games you have not mastered yet? I guess this kind of renders the whole thing redundant, now that I've realized this is starting to get political.

Listen, if you have not mastered Sonic 1, that is fine, there is nothing to be ashamed about being a Sonic Neophyte. However, if any of you still think game mastery matters to be a hacker, well, you would be partially right. You would have to play the games to understand them, but to be a completist about it is just a whole different story. I don't even know why I made this thread anymore.

Mods, I think this thread is useless from this point forward. So, just archive it, because I want this to be lesson to all members. Never place labels on members who can't do things like complete a game that's almost two decades old, because that will make them feel bad about themselves, especially the hackers, because if some guy never completed Sonic 1 and someone makes fun of him, that person is going to get hurt, and eventually put his progress on what could have been the "hack of the year", to a grinding halt.

Vendettagainst · Feb 21, 2010

Just gonna say, I've never played Sonic 1/2 + - GG .

Jayextee · Feb 21, 2010

SamplingMasters Nix said:

I'm trying to say, if you don't master the classics, then what good is it for you to make hacks on games you have not mastered yet? I guess this kind of renders the whole thing redundant, now that I've realized this is starting to get political.
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In regards to the attitude of "master this shit before you hack it", I'd say it's only really applicable for layouts and custom bosses; playable things. You really don't need to be able to blitz the levels like a veteran to code features or draw art; although considering the difficulty in getting a successful team effort together, being a one-man-band is almost inevitable.

So it can't hurt to get playing that shit.

Ritz · Feb 21, 2010

Why would anyone even bother with hacking to begin with when they haven't already exhausted the original games? What's the sense in seeking replayability in a game you haven't finished yet? And why would you even suggest studying maps to get through a game over basic trial and error, you know, the method that sufficed for every person who ever finished a Sonic game? Are you trying to coax someone's grandmother through this?

Your intentions were pure, but your plan was retarded.

SamplingMasters Nix · Feb 21, 2010

Well, if by retarded meaning redundant, then yeah, it is what you said. Of course, my intention was to find an intergrated approach to master Sonic 1. One that works through the use of gameplay footage aided with commentary and telestrator diagrams. Yet, this is, also, redundant. One surefire stratagy that can improve your gameplay is to memorize the position and movement patterns of the badniks. By doing so, you are less likely to make mistakes, because you need to understand where the badniks are coming from. "Expect the unexpected", is the main approach against badniks.

Blanche Hodapp · Feb 21, 2010

SamplingMasters Nix said:

Harsh, why be like that?
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I know it's pretty much been said before, but I'll give it you from my own perspective - it would kind of defeat the point of Sonic Retro, wouldn't it?

DimensionWarped · Feb 21, 2010

If only there was a quiz or something that weeded out the hardcore from the weak... oh right!

Ritz · Feb 23, 2010

SamplingMasters Nix said:

Of course, my intention was to find an intergrated approach to master Sonic 1. One that works through the use of gameplay footage aided with commentary and telestrator diagrams.
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While you're at it, would you mind directing me to some cross-section diagrams of the human throat? I've been having trouble breathing. Some CG fly-throughs and pie charts might help you get your point across.

I love this guy.

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