Sonic 2D Blast?

I was just aware from what I know Jenny so far is our only primary hacker and from what was being spoekn in the early threads, there was need to use base levels in order to find similar gimmicks for the said zones, makes production time faster and the possibility of a demo more of a realisation. Whatever new art has been made will still be incorporated...so far as I know. It just means the level gimmicks will be easier to make/add to.

For Final Fight- really depends. For all of this new art we're really going to need a boss programmer so we can design them.

Its a fair point actually. At first I thought this would make him too easy- even if you don't consider my standards for challenging bosses but for some reason in my mind I just pictured the distance wrong with the ice blowers.

Saying that, we could just stick with the usual attack pattern, only keep the pits in there so it is actually still challenging.

 

About the Volcano Boss:

A shield on Robotnik would be a great addition, but I think it should only be active for a few seconds after hitting him. I mean, making the player run away from the fire and dogde the shield at the same time would be kind of harsh. Also, I don't know how the fire behaves in-game, but perhaps it'd be interesting to place a red spring on the walls, so as to make it easier for the player to dogde the attack.

 

<!--quoteo(post=268546:date=Jan 16 2009, 04:09 AM:name=filmzombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (filmzombie @ Jan 16 2009, 04:09 AM)

Second may compress so you should be able to zoom by clicking.

However, with this boss I felt it was neccessary once more to include the broadened boundaries as with the original Volcano Valley boss it was always avery "need room to move area"

Saying that, this time around despite the fire chaser being much more difficult to avoid in 2D, I still feel that perhaps Robotnik may need a secondary defense whilst the attack occurs...in order to prevent an instant 8 hits.

So...despite the fact its not present in-game, how about for 2D Robotnik's attack has an extra defense, where-in he generate a fire shield around him (exactly like Sonic's). That way it should make the boss more interesting and challenging.

Let me know what you think.[/quote]

Thats a lot of space for such a boss, makes me wonder if we should use the space a bit more. Someone else suggested springs, which I also think might be a good idea. Though the only problem with that is you could bounce yourself into the firepath which could make for lots of cheap deaths on that boss.

Also



Mixed the various styles together along with a slightly better looking sprite than previous. Thank possibly the light lines on the spikes may be okay or bad and not sure how to make that top spike look right. I think its too dark or something...

 

I'd say get rid of the white line on top of the second and possibly third quill. Replace them with a slightly darker color, cus I don't think the light's hitting them that way. Other than that, we have a winrar.

Also the volcano boss looks neat, are flames gonna shoot out of the pipe also? We kinda have to have that.

 

Not for nothing, but if we're going to use a more S3D-esque palette, can we use something closer to the Saturn's? I mean, sure, it's higher-color, which is a bit of a problem (given palette limitations), but the colorscheme is much prettier than the Genesis' ugly color choice.

I mean, the blue is way too shiny (and cyan, for that matter) and his skin is friggin' yellow. It doesn't look right...

 

<!--quoteo(post=268603:date=Jan 16 2009, 03:39 PM:name=JennyTablina)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JennyTablina @ Jan 16 2009, 03:39 PM)
Mixed the various styles together along with a slightly better looking sprite than previous. Thank possibly the light lines on the spikes may be okay or bad and not sure how to make that top spike look right. I think its too dark or something...[/quote]

I love it!

 

I agree after looking at a Saturn version screenshot. The colors are a bit off for Sonic, so I think that Sonic's palette should be based more on the Saturn version, or at least on the Sonic 1, 2, or 3 and Knuckles palettes.

 

We're using brighter colours with the new sprite. Heck the pallette colours are pretty close to Sonic 3's. He's just extra shiny (and taller)

 

<!--quoteo(post=268603:date=Jan 16 2009, 03:39 PM:name=JennyTablina)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JennyTablina @ Jan 16 2009, 03:39 PM)

Mixed the various styles together along with a slightly better looking sprite than previous. Thank possibly the light lines on the spikes may be okay or bad and not sure how to make that top spike look right. I think its too dark or something...[/quote]


It's only a minor edit of the spikes, but I adjusted the shading of the topmost one to get rid of the darker outline, and did away with the white highlight and most of the bright cyan as it was making me cry. There was also something odd about the third spike, which I altered to fix.

There is going to have to be something done about the palette, though. His skin still looks very washed out, the ark outline is incongruous with the design of Sonic sprites of the time (for the most part, anyway), and there's no sense of flow between the shades of blue. There are, in fact, two almost-identical shades in some of the highlights which can only be told apart by one appearing slightly more cyan than the other.

I'm not a spritist, though, so feel free to criticise the shit out of it.

 

Hmm I see what you mean about the sprite design, but I think the idea is to make it look like a rendered sprite. It might not help that I'm not really using a pallette at the mo. Plan on playing around with GraphicsGale to get the colours down better.

Also the shinyness seems to be an issue. On one hand I want to keep it because the Sonic 3D sprite was shinetastic. On the other hand the dimmed shine seems reasonable enough a compromise. Otherwise we'll end up debating how shiny sonic should be and not getting anything done (assuming the sprite itself is fine bar the palette issues)

 

Sonic 3d's sprite wasn't that shiny. Half the sprites had no shine, the other half had way to much shine.

The ones that were at more of a 2d view had little to none.

 

<!--quoteo(post=268281:date=Jan 15 2009, 04:00 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Jan 15 2009, 04:00 PM)

Tried to copy the shading style as close as possible. The shine is there, because depending the frame he's really shiny, and sometimes he has no shine at all, so I compromised and gave him a little shine.[/quote]Isn't that just the old Sonic 4 sprite, recolored?

I think this is still the sprite that better resembles the original 3D Blast Sonic, even if others might look "better":


After all, this isn't about "making a better Sonic sprite", but about recreating the old one in 2D, isn't it?

 

I don't get the point of you guys making him look like Sonic 1, with a massive bottom spike.

In the 3d blast sprite, his feet are angled like Sonic 3, and his bottom spike is very small, not massive like you guys keep putting.



And also, it's pretty close to the Sonic 4 sprite that was an edit of yours, but then edited some more, with new shading to try and match Sonic 3d.

 

<!--quoteo(post=269109:date=Jan 17 2009, 11:35 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Jan 17 2009, 11:35 AM) [/quote]

Maybe the bottom spike is too big but I was kind of going by the 3D sprites (which does have that bottom spike as about the same size at least as the other. remember 3D's sprites have perspective goin on) *plus* the Fleetway style of the Sonic 3D era and the japanese manual.

If you think about it it makes chronological sense. I always think of the Saturn years being Sonics awkward teen phase. So he would look like a cross between classic Sonic and the Sonic Adventure model. To have the spikes *smaller* than they are in 1-3 wouldnt make a jot of sense at all

 

I tried. :\

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:o

 

<!--quoteo(post=269290:date=Jan 17 2009, 09:31 PM:name=PC2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PC2 @ Jan 17 2009, 09:31 PM) [/quote]

Sir, you've hit the nail on the head

 

Yeah, but that hand needs work, it's a solid white block right now.

 

How does the Marble Zone background work in the context of Green Grove? I don't get it—it doesn't seem to fit at all.

 

Mock Ups.