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Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by Londinium, Jun 17, 2022.

  1. Wraith

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    He's not my first choice either but I really have no clue what else they could do. Sonic needs another furball to fight and there aren't that many obvious picks left.
     
  2. Lambda

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    I agree. Lots of people are saying Metal Sonic... don't get me wrong, I like Metal... but from a narrative standpoint, he's just kinda Shadow but less interesting...

    Next movie will be Silver. I'd bet money on it.
     
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  3. Not for nothing, but the concept of "Sonic fights another evil furry" for these movies can only go so far before diminishing returns kicks in.

    Its why I hoped these films could end in a nice round trilogy.


    But hey, Silver deserves another chance at redemption. I would prefer if it was Blaze, but I just kind of accepted that she's just Silver's side piece now as much as that annoys me.
     
  4. Not Amy?!
     
  5. Amy is a girl.
     
  6. BenoitRen

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    I can't understand the sentiment that Silver is bottom of the barrel when we have characters like Cream who have even less reason to star in the games.
     
  7. Sonic is mainly marketed to boys and media aiming for that demographic tends to delegate female characters as side characters at best. Its a miracle Blaze was allowed to be a main character for 2 budget titles honestly.
     
  8. BigTigerM

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    Cream is a literal child. Even SEGA developed a plot device in form of her mother that’s really against her inclusion in some adventures.

    Opinion: I want the toddler in moral peril. Let the bunny fuck shit up, go full-on Monty Python
     
  9. Chimpo

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    This is all useless discussion anyways. We all know everyone's favorite character, Zavok, will be in the next film.
     
  10. penBorefield

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    How about Hatsun the Pigeon from Sonic '06?
     
  11. Hoiyoihoi

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    This may not be the place for this but didnt think it deserved its own thread either, but i've finally hunkered down and started reading the archie sonic run. I've been following this reading order, so I've read the first 25 issues so far plus the Princess Sally miniseries. So here are my opinions so far:

    • I was surprised by home much charm there was in the Manak/Gallagher era. The lame puns mixed with manak's schoolhouse rock art gives it a very retro charm. I would kinda love them introducing a modern sonic character who talked like this early archie era. I vote to reintroduce Rotor and make that his thing.
    • Sometimes the issue ends with them asking you to send in fan mail, and god when Horizont-Al and Verti-Cal said "send us a letter if you want us in more stories!" it felt like watching a man beg for his life.
    • They gave sonic a catchphrase, which for some reason is him saying "Gotta juice!"
    • Scourge the Hedgehog is canonically racist.
    • So, early archie sonic writers didn't get the memo that Tails is supposed to be the techie one, and the job of designated mechanic went to Rotor. So they try to give tails something useful to do, which lead to this amazing panel upload_2024-11-15_11-2-58.png
    • I think Sally falls into the old trope of "Writer trying to write someone smarter then they are". She's supposed to be the team activation who comes up with all the plans. Not because she does any actually planning because most of their plans involve running into a place and blowing everything up, but because before they enter one of Robotnik's bases she draws a bunch of circles and arrows in the dirt.
      One of the worst examples, in one issue Sally says she is going to negotiate a deal with Robotnik to release her father, and tells sonic to not interfere. Sonic, thinking this is obviously a trap, follows her and finds her in Robotnik's lair being put inside a roboticizer. Sonic rescues Sally and blows the place up, usual stuff.
      But THEN, Sally says "Nooo sonic, I MEANT to get captured! You see, I had a device in my boot that would not only prevent ME from getting turned into a robot, but would reverse the signal of the roboticizer so that way we could invent a way to turn all the roboticized citizens to normal!"
      What???? This one mission could've literally discovered the cure to genocide, and completely undo everything robotnik has done. Sally, this was the most important mission of your life, WHY didn't you tell the one guy who's sole character trait other than being fast is that he like to blow up robotnik's stuf??? "Oh but I didn't want him to leak the plan" then just tell him to keep it secret? Like sonic uncle is currently a robot slave rn im pretty sure hed take it seriously enough? There are a dozen people total in knothole anyway who is he even going to tell? Antione???
      For a character who is the supposed 'tactician' she can't even predict the literal most likely outcome to the situation. And then she gets her magic Game Boy SP so instead of having to figure things out she can just have ChatGPT tell her exactly what she need to do.
    I think the comic so far is kinda mid with some interesting/funny moments, but i would'nt really recomend it based on what I've seen so far, but i'm going to keep reading it hoping it gets better.
     
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  12. Technically Inept

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    Yeah, as someone who read the entirety of Archie, outside maybe the oddball issue like the death egg saga, Archie is not really worth reading before 160. The only reason to read it is to get an introduction to the concepts that post-Flynn pre-reboot Archie uses.

    AndtoenhanceappreciationforFlynn’smuchbetterwriting.

    I would actually tell people to skip straight to the reboot honestly if the pre-reboot stuff, after Flynn get’s his hands on it at least, wasn’t so much fun.
     
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  13. Hoiyoihoi

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    But then you would have missed canonically transmasc sonic
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  14. Lambda

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    Amy might show up, but she's not a character to kicks off a plot, unless they entirely rewrite her character and make her into a villain or something.

    Amy might show up in a future movie, but it'll be like Tails in Movie 2. He shows up and is there, but the movie is really all about Knuckles.

    Amy might be in Movie 4, but it won't be about her. It'll be about Silver.

    And don't get me wrong, I like Amy! I hope she's actually secretly in Movie 3.
     
  15. Volphied

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    Fun fact: Next year will be Blaze's 20th anniversary.

    Sega, pls:flunked:
     
  16. Deep Dive Devin

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    This is all more or less in-line with what I/we went through. The early stuff is charming (a word I hate using because it basically means "not good but it's lighthearted and remembered as a classic so you gotta give it something) for being really silly and that atmosphere of "mm how quaint" when you know how crazy the rest of it is going to get. I think the big issue is that if you're not all that into the cheese, you don't feel like it's building towards anything in particular for the first big stretch of it. When it's not distracting you with lame jokes, plotlines or characters that go nowhere or half-baked pop culture references/parodies, it feels like it's just spinning it's wheels. It took us until somewhere around issue 35 to feel like the story was really going anywhere, and even then there were still plenty of missteps.

    But y'know? For all the shit I give Penders, have given Penders, and will continue to give Penders, his writing always gave the impression that something was coming. It was usually a big lame disappointment, but it did wonders for alleviating that feeling of drudgery that comes with seeing the same 7 Michael Gallagher puns every issue and the status quo not budging an inch.

    Now, in exchange, a lot of the proceeding comics went from "lame" to "car-crash fascinating", which isn't necessarily an improvement, but that wasn't till later, and Bruce cited the Knuckles miniseries as being the point in which he kinda went wild with the comics and started reading more and more just because he wanted to see what happened. So somewhere in the issue 35-40 range is key.
     
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  17. Hoiyoihoi

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    I don't think it's fair to say 'charming' just means its bad-but-a-classic-so-you-have-to-like-it. Charming is like, being earnest and unironic despite your shortcomings. Like, I actually like a lot of the art and if it started lamp shading how dumb some of it is I would not find it that charming.
    I think manak is an actually good penciller and there were jokes here and there that got a chuckle out of me. But other than that, yeah I do largely agree with you.
    Saying the comic gets more wild around 35-40 does pique my interest, so ill try to stick it out.
     
  18. Brainulator

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    I'd have to re-read the comics, but the earlier, more comedic issues were more up my alley, losing interest after the Endgame arc. This was years ago, though.
     
  19. I, for one, am a strong advocate for bringing back Scott Shaw.
     
  20. And? Girls love Sonic too, you know. *coughs*.