Sonic Superstars: A New 2D Sonic Game (Fall 2023)

Love how this is always the go to defense when anything gets a mixed reception.

 

"Mixed reception" in the Sonic fandom has people calling for the creators' heads and naming them incompetent, so a reminder that the creators are people and did not intentionally make something bad to spite you specifically is necessary.

In completely unrelated news, here's Tee Lopes talking about absolutely nothing in particular:

https://xcancel.com/TeeLopes/status/1681721469762519040

 

No one here is calling for their heads. I think we've all been reasonable with our critiques. I don't see why we need to be reminded about project management. It just comes off as dismissive.
Not sure why you guys keep insisting on bringing up outside communities when we are talking amongst each other in this closed off space.

 

I like the intro, but it does bring up something I've been feeling about Superstars as a whole...

The animation is in the style of Tyson Hesse, but it's not Tyson Hesse...
The physics are like Mania, but it's not the Mania team or their engine...
The music... is being worked on by Tee Lopes, but only partially...

It's like trying to be the thing we love, without actually being the thing we love?

Overall I'm still excited, and think what we've seen so far looks great. But there's just this slightly worrying vibe that it's a copy without the soul.

 

Now I have no clue how Sega has been deciding who works on what, but it feels like now that they have a good "recipe" for classic Sonic (and modern Sonic to an extent) they'd rather take development in-house as much as possible instead of using outside contractors, or at least that's the feeling I've gotten with Origins and now Superstars. Not saying that's good or bad, it's just the impression I get.

Edit: Actually, I just remembered Superstars isn't exactly developed in-house either, so maybe that view isn't quite accurate

 

There's definitely a lot of heart in this project. I don't think there's need to worry. I mean, Mania was built off the ideas of the original Mega Drive games after all.

 

I was going to say something and EDIT: they deleted it, never mind.

Sonic Mania was emulating the originals. Tyson Hesse's animations were in the style of Sonic CD. Tee Lopes's music (even when it's not literally the old music) were in the style of the old music. The physics were identical to the original as well. And besides Iizuka overseeing the project, none of the original creators were involved, unlike Sonic Superstars.

Superstars has tons of heart, but besides that, Mania itself is a copy.

 

His music is his product but sure I should probably give Tee better faith than he gives his fans. Either way I don't think shitposting in kind is "asking for his head". Just wish he wasn't so dismissive and using nitpicking as an excuse when the general criticism I see (which I agree with) is just that the music is kinda generic.

 

I'm sure he's talking about the general criticisms, not just his music specifically. It's a collaborative effort and it's generally not fun to have people nitpick your efforts as soon as they're shown, even if they are valid or not even malicious.

I doubt he appreciates the "oh, you're the only decent artist on the music since Senoue can't make music" sentiment that goes around either.

 

Well general criticisms aren't "wasting time dissecting every single little flaw". The animation is inconsistent and tells you pretty much nothing about the game besides some of the characters that are going to be in it and an out-of-context emerald gimmick. These aren't even nitpicks. If he's referring to actual nitpicks then that should be directed at specific nitpicking fans, not "the fandom".

 

I don't think Mania being a copy of the older titles matters, just who's doing it right at the moment.

But don't get me wrong, I've loved every bit of gameplay we've seen, and I like the intro a lot even if it's not as smooth as some of the others.

 

This place is absolutely one of the best places to talk about Sonic

But Tee Lopes is not on here.

...right? @Teelopesy? Okay, yeah. He's not on here.

He's on Twitter. Twitter sucks

 

At another point, one has to wonder why this is being brought up here -- where it supposedly doesn't apply -- the way it is -- without any context whatsoever that could indicate what, then, this specific subset of annoying people is on about -- and question how much discernment you're really supposed to have.

 

I don't care if he's referring to me or some other fan I might agree with or not. It's still a bad faith, dismissive take on what looks to be mostly valid critique.

 

Normally I'd agree with this but... Have you SEEN Sonic Twitter recently? Genuine question. There is such a vocal sect of people who act just the way he describes. it is an absolute cesspool.

I don't blame him at all for lashing out a bit.

 

maybe it is just the vibe of the press releases and animation that is connecting to Mania!!

The zones look very different in almost every way from the Mania level design, as well as, the bosses and big animals concept, and the Emerald powers and special stages.

Mania was a tribute and Sonic 4 was an early test, this is the true 2D Sonic soft reboot

 

Not a big fan of the opening animation. Looks very choppy. If this is the only animated opening the game gets, than I'm kinda disappointed.

I am holding out hope though that won't just be one opening cinematic, and every character will get their own animated story intro a-la Sonic Heroes.