The Sonic Frontiers *SPOILER* Thread (With Unmarked Spoilers)

Oh I’ll give them credit too, compared to every game since Unleashed these cutscenes are animated fantastically. But Sonic Team was responsible for the mess of a lore we got over the past 12 years, I’m not giving them kudos simply for course correction.

 

If anyone is curious about early non-official reviews for the game.

https://cptahab.substack.com/p/an-indictment-of-sonic-frontiers

And yes, I am aware of the title.

 

nah she's clearly drawn by uekawa, the humans in unleashed were all gurihiru. she's there among Pickle and the other Unleashed NPCs because there just aren't really any drawings of other humans in Sonic in the first place (or even just art in general beyond a couple Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06 renders), so forcibly you're going to have to use the Unleashed NPCs- and then you add in your character you want to tease midst them. People then reasonably assume it's to do with Frontiers since that's the next incoming game, but clearly, it's teasing something else.

 

The problem I have with seeing the cutscenes is that while Flynn's dialogue and characterizations are excellent, the voice acting and cheap animation/cinematography don't sell certain moments the way they should. That and the long, awkward pauses between lines.

I love how Flynn is bringing Sonic back to being an inspirational character, but the cinematic direction is so lifeless, it's not being sold.

 

Are there any reviews out there that don't sound like they've been written by cinema sins? I'd like an indepth look at how sonic controls in the open zone not the fact that it's never stated that sonic and co are going to the islands (even though it is) and that it's not explained why knuckles is there (even though it is) lol. Bonus if it doesn't mention 06.

 

I'm not certainly a fan of this review. His critiques on the gameplay are his own, I can see why he feels that way, even if I disagree heavily, but any critique outside of that is...

A preamble: they complain about how the combat is a "trivial chore", but that's only because they choose to do nothing but spam the Sonic Boom, He chose the least effective move and complains that combat takes forever. He also criticizes the game for having an Auto-Combo option, something that other, dedicated character-action games like Bayonetta have.

Anyway, their analysis of the story is describing plot points and saying "this isn't explained"--except every single one of those plot points he mentioned are explained.

For example, they talk about

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the cutscene that first shows us the Chaos Kocos on Kronos. He says that they don't understand what is happening and it isn't explained. Except that Amy's sidequest where you reunite two lover Koco. The cutscene shows that they were lovers who embraced each other when they died in the past. Amy even says this.

He says he don't want to give spoilers but the above plot point is a pretty spoiler and also he tells us what the final boss is so ???

Finally, they call the Evangelion references "tasteless" which is more ???

And man, does he really hate Ian Flynn! Calling him an amateur whose experience with writing Sonic stories didn't prepare him for writing... a Sonic story... Flynn has written many stories that aren't Sonic, including Rivals of Aether, Mega Man, My Little Pony... I don't know why the reviewer is trying to push him as some amateur. I'm also surprised that he didn't blame Flynn for Sage being an Evangelion reference.

Apparently you can't like his stories because Dan Slott's Spider-Man comics exist(???). He says the story has no themes, which I am not going to take seriously as criticism since they seem to be confused when literally anything happens in the story.

His comment on Amy is interesting: he says that you wouldn't know that Amy has a crush on Sonic from the writing, which... I actually do somewhat agree with. However, I'd argue that Amy's crush on Sonic has been heavily downplayed for years, there is still enough implication, and is it wrong that Amy isn't defined by being in love with Sonic? Her character arc deals with love, but more specifically her compassion and care for others.

They also do that downright atrocious "critique," where they just mention a thing that happens in the game and says "I'm not making this up." That's not critique. Explain why it's so ridiculous. Like @Childish mentioned, that's CinemaSins-tier "reviewing."

AND OF COURSE they mention '06, lmfao. Oddly, it's that argument where '06 "could have been something," but Frontiers can't, for some reason.

I don't feel this guy wanted to give Frontiers a fair shake, and considering that when I scroll down, I get a "please subscribe" pop-up that obscures my reading and a tagline that says "I hate video games..." He says he had a miserable time, but I don't think he didn't want one.

 

Monday is going to be "fun"

 

Indeed. I promise I won't be myself when that happens, but I also think reviews will be certainly more fair than the above review.

 

This review sucks and the stupid subscribe pop up makes me despise this review even more.

 

Honestly, there's nothing in that review that is wrong from what I've been playing. I just really think its as bad as they're making it.

But I've resolved myself that some people aren't going to enjoy what Sonic currently is no matter what.

 

How the hell do I get the Red Chaos Enerald on Chaos Island? Might as well ask about the Gray one too. I have the Blue and Yellow ones.

This island sucks.

 

No, I can definitely say there's things they're wrong about, like every time they claim the story doesn't explain something that it does actually explain, and especially how he says that the game has literally no good ideas or ways of improvement, which to me confirms that he just did not want to like the game.

If one can say that '06 has potential (which he does, and I'm pretty sure he only brought '06 up to be a scathing as possible and little else), one can definitely say that about Frontiers (and even other negative impressions I've seen say similar).

I can certainly agree that he wasn't going to enjoy Sonic no matter what. But, I'll stop here.

Don't they have pillars of light indicate where the next emerald is when you have enough keys?

 

Chaos Island is made up of a bunch of islands with a bottomless death pit of sky below them. Me knowing which islands they are on doesn't get me there.

 

Did you try using the Eagles?

 

It's how I cheated the Blue and Yellow emeralds.

The game has enough leeway while gliding on top of them to have you boost past the part of the mountain that you are about to crash into, but is in no way the actual way you are supposed to get them.

The Red Emerald isn't possible with them because only the back of the mountain is low enough and it's too far to glide with.

The Gray Emerald meanwhile is in the sky as always.

 

Have you tried praying to the Chaos Emerald

 

Review seems pretty reasonable to me. At least from what I've seen from preview footage. I'll be surprised if the game reviews well tomorrow. But I guess we'll see!

 

>See review of Sonic game
>Control+F "06"
>Get a result
>Immediately click off of review

And that is how you separate the bullshit Sonic reviews from the actually good ones. As @Childish said, this shit sounds like it was written by CinemaSins.

 

Yeah the second I saw that the person said '06 was better I decided I was better off not taking their opinion seriously

 

Oohhhh nooooo



They brought back Unleashed Rooftop Run Day Act 2. Those bastards . As long as it works this time around and doesn’t glitch out every turn. It looks a little more sound anyway.

I don’t feel so bad spoiling these stages since there’s a 95% chance I’ve played said stages elsewhere many, many times. The challenge comes from the new controls and minor layout tweaks.

speaking of spoiling, it seems after this point many of the layouts are original, I couldn’t tell what some of the layouts were when watching a video that showed them all (and as soon as I couldn’t tell I skipped), but I noticed a few more recreated levels

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• Generations Chemical Plant Act 2 2D sections
• Generations Chemical Plant Act 1
• Metal Harbor with a Chemical Plant skin
• Unleashed Savannah Citadel Day Act 1 2D sections with a Green Hill skin

Now that I’ve seen them all though I have to ask… really couldn’t be assed to make even 1 more theme huh? We’re missing some themes, I mean snow? Or if nostalgia pandering more with reusing Generations assets, Casino Night, Seaside Hill, a different city level even? Or with the amount of SA2 pandering, make a space theme reusing Generations ARK assets. They’ve remade at least 5 SA2 speed levels, that’s literally half. I mean whatever they’re this games special stages/game world so I’m not going to go nuts over this, but still.