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#31 User is offline Sith 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 01:30 PM

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Personally, I could never catch Tweaker on power abuse in here.
He was doing a good job.
I guess this is the work of some "Tweaker haters" but I don't want to get involved in such kind of shit.

Let's hope things will calm down, now that they got what they want...

#32 User is offline voice 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 01:32 PM

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View PostSith, on Mar 26 2007, 12:30 PM, said:

Personally, I could never catch Tweaker on power abuse in here.
He was doing a good job.
I guess this is the work of some "Tweaker haters" but I don't want to get involved in such kind of shit.

Let's hope things will calm down, now that they got what they want...


Until you said "I guess this is the work of some "Tweaker haters".." I was reading.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 03:34 PM

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yall just playa haters

#34 User is offline Lemming 1545 

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View Postvoice, on Mar 26 2007, 12:32 PM, said:

View PostSith, on Mar 26 2007, 12:30 PM, said:

Personally, I could never catch Tweaker on power abuse in here.
He was doing a good job.
I guess this is the work of some "Tweaker haters" but I don't want to get involved in such kind of shit.

Let's hope things will calm down, now that they got what they want...


Until you said "I guess this is the work of some "Tweaker haters".." I was reading.

Why stop? He's right, isn't he? Or do you mean to tell me that what went down last night still would have occurred if everyone had been completely happy with and in favor of Tweaker being an administrator?

#35 User is offline Dark Sonic 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 04:42 PM

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View PostTweaker, on Mar 26 2007, 02:41 AM, said:

God speed, Saz. Hope you don't fuck us all over. ;P

Here's to a hopefully brighter future.


O RLY? You're back? Well that's good to know. Anyways I agree, good luck Saz. Bring this place into a new age.

#36 User is offline Tweaker 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 04:44 PM

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View PostDark Sonic, on Mar 26 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

View PostTweaker, on Mar 26 2007, 02:41 AM, said:

God speed, Saz. Hope you don't fuck us all over. ;P

Here's to a hopefully brighter future.


O RLY? You're back? Well that's good to know. Anyways I agree, good luck Saz. Bring this place into a new age.

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#37 User is offline Dark Sonic 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 05:28 PM

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View PostTweaker, on Mar 26 2007, 01:44 PM, said:

View PostDark Sonic, on Mar 26 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

View PostTweaker, on Mar 26 2007, 02:41 AM, said:

God speed, Saz. Hope you don't fuck us all over. ;P

Here's to a hopefully brighter future.


O RLY? You're back? Well that's good to know. Anyways I agree, good luck Saz. Bring this place into a new age.

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#38 User is offline Metal Man88 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 06:06 PM

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My perspective is simple.

Once upon a time I was perfectly neutral, doing my thing (mostly the occasional commenting) on stuff. As I did years ago, and still do even though I now have been polarized.

I'd been fine with the current administration. Some people yelled at me (and other oldbies) for not having to retake the test, but in all reality, I had just taken the test a few months prior and succeeded—the next one wouldn't have been too difficult for me either. I've taken harder ones before.

Then I'm doing my thing and suddenly this big screen pops up saying the site has been hacked.

I first go "This is BS", then I go "Whoever is behind this asinine nonsense must PAY", and then I find out Tweaker has left. As for S2B concerns we are neutral, however I am at least somewhat his friend outside of S2B.

Okay. Whether or not he was really going nuts and quit over hacking, I won't spare my idea that Tweaker wasn't cut out for the position, because he couldn't take personal attacks. You must be made of steel, like me, or others, and take that and smash people who disturb the peace.

So then all these people who were banned appear and begin disrupting everything and insulting my other friends. People who I had previously argued with, people who had no care for research, people who loved to fill my screen with disgusting garbage.

And then I discovered the hackjob was so these people who disrupted the peaceful community could come in and prevent intelligent discussion?

People who then advocated overturning things Simon (and Pelord as well, and LocalH) had worked so hard to build?

To be honest, I don't know how I kept myself from making a massive, angry, horrible post. I am neutral in terms of whether S2B rises or falls, but I have a very strong conscience, and a very strong feeling for justice.

AND THIS WAS WRONG.

I checked, then; maybe I was the 1%? Maybe this was for the benefit of the community?

...No.

I saw fellow oldbies fighting these people, I saw fellow members scared off, I saw Tweaker's emotional state torn apart for political gain, I saw LocalH's trust abused for evil.

The day these people were allowed to trample things, was the day I stopped being neutral in these asinine politics. I don't agree with any one side 100%, but so far LocalH's has been at the forefront of trying to uphold the old principles, while the other side shouts 'SHADE IS AMAZING' and loots and burns everything.

And it is just great this place is back, because I don't know what I would have done had such injustice been allowed to prevail.

That is my perspective. I am not saying any of this is right or wrong, in fact I acknowledge it is probably biased. My experiences are unique, and so are everyone else's.

But doesn't it seem wrong to steal a website you didn't create for the purposes of changing it beyond its current form and destroying what was there previous?

#39 User is offline Tylinos 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 06:09 PM

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New leadership approach or not, should we be reminded of how major splits like this have ended up in the past? If you want the place back to the way it was in the Simon era, either refuse to read any post made after he left, or study his posts and learn from them. If you want a new Simon, act like Simon. Don't be pissed that your overthrow failed and make a new board in retaliation. I'm not saying that this can't work out, but rather that Qjimbo shouldn't have tried a forceful overthrow in the first place. Dictatorship or not, the administration (along with perhaps the moderators) should have simply discussed the problem and worked it out from there. As we've seen, Tweaker could have stepped down if he saw it was causing problems.

Hopefully both sides can still work this out, and perhaps eventually rejoin the two parts of the fractured site. The last thing we need to have the perfect community everyone seems to picture is a split. Have both sides of leadership (plus Tweaker, since animosity against him was the reason for the split) sit down and talk about the fiasco. As much as you guys may hate each other right now, the only way to rebuild is by working this thing out.

#40 User is offline Aurochs 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 06:34 PM

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I actually do have a backup of the importiant posts in the old topic 9093, but the attachment system doesn't seem to be working at the moment. I'll post it to the public as soon as I can. If you're really dying to read it, PM me.

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View PostAurochs, on Mar 26 2007, 07:34 PM, said:

I actually do have a backup of the importiant posts in the old topic 9093, but the attachment system doesn't seem to be working at the moment. I'll post it to the public as soon as I can. If you're really dying to read it, PM me.

http://www.s2beta.or...?showtopic=9093

#42 User is offline Aurochs 

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that also works.

#43 User is offline Rika Chou 

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Oh, Jesus Christ.

#44 User is offline Sazpaimon 

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View Postrika_chou, on Mar 26 2007, 05:23 PM, said:

Oh, Jesus Christ.

What's that supposed to mean? If you have any problems with me being admin or something, I suggest you say it outright.

#45 User is offline Tylinos 

Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:40 PM

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Yeah, I know I'm using up quite a few Trial Posts with things that people are probably just going to ignore. Unless this gets resolved, there's no point in having Trial Posts to use anyway, so here it goes.

On both iterations of S2beta, Tweaker is now a Tech Member rather than an Admin. This seems to have been enough to at least bring the Tweaker-haters back to Qjimbo's S2beta. Aside from Qjimbo being an admin no longer at the original S2beta, the main reason for Qjimbo's S2beta is dealt with. Do you prefer two versions of one board with a split community, or one board after an adminship retooling? Some people hate Qjimbo for abusing power to get rid of Tweaker, and others hate LocalH because he de-admined Qjimbo for that reason. There has to be some sort of compromise in here somewhere that makes almost everyone happy.

This place has survived a lot of stuff in the past, but it can't survive a complete division without forever sacrificing the community revitalization the split hoped to create. A split S2beta is only going to cause more problems than it solves. If everyone thinks what I've been saying is idiotic, let me know so I can shut up and you can work this stuff out on your own.

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