[Qjimbo]

Just something I put together today. Enjoy!

Download XVID AVI file (49MB) - OFFLINE DUE TO SLASHDOTTING OF MY SERVER!
Or from YouTube.

It's full DVD Quality too 6mins long. Sorry I forgot to credit HXC for his interview in the credits! But he's mentioned a lot at the start so meh :P

This post has been edited by QJimbo: 23 March 2006 - 03:33 PM

[Metal Man88]

Interesting. I continued to doubt this theory myself, knowing that the songs taken out in Sonic and Knuckles collection merely used DAC samples, which could not be properly represented with their somewhat slipshod midi stuff. However, the Smooth Criminal and Ice Cap connection seems almost too obvious to ignore. But, besides a cameo of similarity between Casino zone and 'Jam', I think there is a closer meaning in this.

They went to great pains removing the music as much as possible, But they couldn't remove all of it, and thus, certain things remained. I still can't see the Stranger/Credits connection, but I can see a cameo in Carnival Night and the whole Ice Cap. Thusly, I think that they reworked Carnival Night to remove most of the music, but couldn't remove all of it in time. (It takes a while to compose stuff.) As for Ice Cap, it was another one COMPLETELY left alone due to time. Certain other Sonic 3-only tracks (The ones replaced by Sonic and Knuckles's own tracks) also seem suspicious.

As for the Sonic and Knuckles collection stuff, I don't quite believe they swapped it out over anything other than the DAC samples. Show me one song in S&K collection that was ported but had those sound samples in it, though, and I'll change my mind.

Good work, though; the Ice Cap stuff is the best theory, in my opinion, especially the Smooth Criminal connection. I certainly couldn't make anything near as professional a video. Also, a lot of what I'm saying is hearsay, save for the S&K collection midi technical stuff. I know a bit about that.

[Tweaker]

This is fucking brilliant. I love how you included footage from each example, including the music videos to bring more visual depth to the article along with the music.

Those few months when Shade discovered it were vital IMO. This is certainly one of the bigger discoveries in terms of the music department, and that being my favorite part of the series, it brings a smile to my face.

You should really make more of these, seriously. A picture is worth a thousand words, but a video has uncountable words. =P

[Dr. D'nar]

Of course it does. At 30FPS, a minute is worth one million, eight hundred thousand words.

[Cinossu]

Metal_Man88, on Mar 21 2006, 03:01 AM, said:

I still can't see the Stranger/Credits connection

Then you must be deaf

[Lemming 1545]

Not really. I don't hear it either.

As for the video, awesome stuff, Qjimbo. The similarity in the Ice Cap music, in particular, amazes me. I never really participated in this whole MJ/S3 thing, so I didn't know much about it before now. Good job making this, and I hope you have time for more stuff like this in the future.

[Shade]

This is an extremely nice video; Very proffesional. I vote this for archiving in the future.

Anyway, I am actually very happy, proud, and most of all, honored, that I was able to contribute to the Sonic scene; Especially in such a major way. In all my years of lurking, I always thought I'd consider myself lucky to become a member. Never did I imagine I'd be making a contribution, especially such and impactful one. So thanks guys; Especially Tweaker for the praise and Qjimbo for crediting me. While I'm at it, I may as well say: I love being here, I love participating and being a part of the Sonic Research scene, and I love being around you guys. Its been every bit as awesome as I imagined it to be while lurking, and I plan on staying until the bloody end. Okay, end sappy ramble :P

I must say, its a real trip going back to play Sonic 3 and thinking "Man...and all these years, I never new that Michael Jackson composed this."

Oh, and by the way, the Stranger in Moscow connection; It's there. Its probably a lot more noticeable in an actual clear version of the song, with headphones..You know, all that good stuff. Even then, it is clearly there. Just slower, it seems.

This post has been edited by Shade: 20 March 2006 - 11:31 PM

[Oneki Kai]

I can hear the relations of all songs. Not always clear as day, but there.

Two problems:

1) QJimbo does not have a narritive quality voice *runs*
2) Why did you not use my MIDI recordings for the PC stuff? They're from the hardware the PC composers used! =P

Other than that, great work =P

[Qjimbo]

Chazman, on Mar 21 2006, 05:19 AM, said:

1) QJimbo does not have a narritive quality voice *runs*

I know I know, but I wanted to get it out in a day rather than auditioning various people to find someone with a good voice.

However, if anyone wants to redo the narration and has a good quality mic, please pm me!

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2) Why did you not use my MIDI recordings for the PC stuff? They're from the hardware the PC composers used! =P

Could've done, but I thought more people would've heard it in the Microsoft GW synth.

As for people doubting the Stranger in Moscow and Credits link, well I really dunno what to say to that. It's blindingly obvious to me.

Glad you guys enjoyed it!

This post has been edited by QJimbo: 21 March 2006 - 07:44 AM

[Tweaker]

Actually, I rather enjoyed Jim as a narrator this time around. It really set the mood of things, IMO.

Is it possible you can render another version that's 15MB or less? I wanted to show it to saxman, but it was too big. :P

[Qjimbo]

Why thank you Tweaker :wub: and I'm uploading it to google video as we speak.

Scratch that, grab it from YouTube: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=JbVM-l2Oku4

EDIT: Damnit it has to be verified by Google...
EDIT2: Uploading to YouTube :P
EDIT3: Wee Done!

This post has been edited by QJimbo: 21 March 2006 - 10:25 AM

[ICEknight]

Transcription please? =|

[Qjimbo]

Transcription said:

If you had to associate Michael Jackson with a SEGA Genesis game, most people, would choose this *moonwalker*
However, back in September of 2005, HXC interviewed Roger Hector, ex-director of the Sega technical institute. He found out that Michael Jackson was originally recruted by SEGA to compose the music for Sonic 3. But, he also revealed that after various scandals broke out, michael jackson's music was erased.

So was that it? Was Michael Jackson's music simply replaced?

I don't think it was, and I'll show you why.

---Jam Clip in background---

This similarity between Carnival Night Zone, and Michael Jackson's song "Jam", was noticed by Ben 2K9 before any link between MJ and Sonic 3 was discovered. He actually believed it to be a tribute from Yuji Naka to Michael.

However, now that we know MJ was involved, maybe this could be a leftover track from MJ? It's possible, but we have found another song since then that resembles a Sonic 3 song exactly.


---Sonic 3 credits in background---

This piece of music played at the end of Sonic 3, bears a strong resemblance to the michael jackson song "Stranger In Moscow". This was noticed by Shade and is one of the most solid pieces of evidence that michael jackson worked on Sonic three's music.

The chord pattern and structure is identical. Even in the chorus, two of the chords played are the same as the sonic 3 ones. This revelation led many to believe that the Sonic 3 credits was indeed composed by Michael Jackson.

But our story doesn't end there, in the Sonic and Knuckles collection, some of the music has been replaced.

---Over clips---

All these tracks in the original Sonic 3 have one thing in common, they all use various "Hey" and "Go" type vocal sounds, which is a trademark of Michael Jackson, so some people find it safe to assume all the tracks that feature these sounds were written by MJ, and were replaced due to legal reasons.

People then tried to find similarities between other MJ songs and these replaced tracks. Dioxaz put forward that the song "Who Is It", when sped up, sounds like Ice Cap Zone.

Some people believe that this isn't conclusive, however we can see and hear that the chord progressions are almost identical. These kinds of chord progressions pop up in MJ's music everywhere. For example lets take Smooth Criminal.

And that takes us to the end of the programme. That covers just about everything known about Michael Jackson's involvement in Sonic 3's music.

[ICEknight]

Ow, I thought you had got some proof from SEGA insiders or something. =(

This post has been edited by ICEknight: 21 March 2006 - 11:43 AM

[Sik]

Recién ahora noto que eres de España, IceKnigth XD Así que supongo que deberías poder leer esto...

BTW, returning to English, and to the video specifically... I never noticed all those similarities (but yes the speechs and such). However, very good job! Really well documented... And QJimbo's voice isn't as bad as it looks (no, it isn't a joke). I though it was going to be worse when I read the comments about his voice...

Anyways, I agree that the video must be archieved, too.