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Hirokazu Yasuhara revealing all kinds of Sonic development stuff Including that Sonic 2 was going to have time travel

#1 User is offline TimmiT 

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So Hirokazu Yasuhara is speaking right now at Digital Dragons in Poland, and there he is revealing a whole bunch of development stuff about Sonic games. @necrosofty is posting stuff from it on Twitter.

Unused overworld maps from Sonic 2, showing unused zone names:

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Sonic 2 being originally planned to have time travel. At the time Yasuhara didn't know Ohshima was doing the same thing with CD:

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Design sketches from before Sonic 1:

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A note on the last one: the Twitter user is trying to convince Yasuhara to share more of this stuff on Twitter. You should retweet his tweet to show people want to see more.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 01:01 PM

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This is AMAZING. Those little Sonic drawings are cute too. So new zones... wonder if there was any art drawn up for them...

Sand Shower Zone
Ocean Wind Zone
Blue Lake Zone
Rock World Zone
Tropical Plant Zone
Olympus
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By god, it's so nice even after all this time, to still see new stuff from the old games pop up. That overworld would've been a nice touch if the game went as originally planned, hope more stuff get's shared.

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Wow Sonic 2 could have been a very different game. This stuff is really cool though.

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Refreshing to see sketches that old finally being put out for everyone to see. That's at least a game worth of previously unknown scrapped (concepts) levels, plus the few we've already known. Great stuff. I hope there's more to come.

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My god, this is insanely amazing. We can actually see which zone was originally planned as a future/past version of which zone.

I can't see how a mountain area (Hill Top) was going to be the past version of Green Hill... most surely they reutilized some names along the way.

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It's kind of funny how he didn't know Oshima was doing the same thing. Sounds like every company ever where various teams are working on similar projects.

I'm glad they chose not to go with the time travel aspect for Sonic 2 though.

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[Screaming on the inside] OMG YES! MORE BETA CONTENTS OF SONIC 2!!! More please for the love of GOD!!!
I'm going to retweet this. As always Sonic 2 beta contents is a gold mine

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Something worth noting is that the level order seems to sorta kinda fit the internal level order in the Simon Wai prototype:

(PRESENT TIME)
00: Emerald Hill (Green Hill)
01: BLANK (Placeholder for Ocean Wind?)
02: Wood
03: BLANK (Placeholder for Sand Shower?)
04: Metropolis
(SONIC GOES BACK IN TIME)
05: Metropolis Act 3 (Already filled in the Rock World slot)
06: BLANK (Placeholder for Tropical Plant?)
07: Hill Top
08: Hidden Palace (Olympus??)
09: BLANK (Placeholder for Blue Lake?)
(SONIC RETURNS TO A RUINED PRESENT)
0A: Oil Ocean
0B: Dust Hill (Same name in stage select, slot already taken by what would be named Mystic Cave)
(SONIC GOES TO THE FUTURE?)
0C: Casino Night
0D: Chemical Plant
0E: Genocide City
0F: Neo Green Hill
10: Death Egg
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From what I can tell, Chemical Plant and Genocide City (with the latter zone presumably being a transformation of Metropolis) seem to take place in a future timeline, a la Sonic CD. I suppose that makes sense, considering that the zones in Sonic 2 had a bit of a strange variety. Hill Top being a "prehistoric" variant of Emerald Hill also makes some sense, with being a clone for the most part.

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This is amazing! I wonder if Rock world zone was the actual name for Rock zone. These other zones might explain some of the completely unused level slots in Sonic 2 like ID 09 & 01! Also, it looks like Green Hill was going to be in Sonic 2. No wonder it was in the level select for so long.

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Concept art level order - Sonic 2 data order

0. Green Hill Zone - Emerald Hill Zone
1. Ocean Wind Zone - (unused)
2. Wood Zone - (unused, Wood Zone in beta)
3. Sand Shower Zone - (unused)
4. Metropolis Zone - Metropolis Zone (acts 1 and 2)
5. Rock World Zone? - Metropolis Zone (act 3)
6. Tropical Plant Zone? - Wing Fortress Zone
7. Hill Top Zone - Hill Top Zone
8. Olympus? - (unused, Hidden Palace Zone in beta)
9. Blue Lake Zone? - (unused)
10. Oil Ocean Zone - Oil Ocean Zone
11. Dust Hill Zone - Mystic Cave Zone
12. Casino Night Zone - Casino Night Zone
13. Chemical Plant Zone - Chemical Plant Zone
14. Genocide City 1 Zone? - Death Egg Zone
15. Genocide City 2 Zone? - Aquatic Ruin Zone

Dammit, GoldS beat me to it. Fuck it, I'm still posting my interpretation anyway.
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So, judging from the maps, Wood Zone was NOT gonna be the past for Metropolis Zone, but rather for Casino Night Zone. I'm not surprised that Hill Top was gonna be the past for Green Hill, since Hill Top was just a blue Emerald Hill. Dust Hill looks like it was gonna be the ruined version of Green Hill (maybe that's where Forces got its inspiration for sand in its Green Hill :v:)

Also, doing some rough translations (via Google Translate lmao), I dunno what this medieval shit is all about, because Casino Night, Genocide City, etc. are referred to as future zones, and I see the map with "Olympus" as the ancient time zone.

Also, the map sketches look pretty similar to the overworld map in 8 bit Sonic 1:
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 02:05 PM

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So Dust Hill Zone was originally Emerald Hill (Green Hill) future? Hill Top Zone also shares its position in the map with Chemical Plant. Seems Oil Ocean had a clean version of it called Oceand Wind Zone. There is also Sand Shower with Rock World, that contradicts DHZ being the future of Rock Zone, unless the two were merged together.

And where is Hidden Palace Zone, if its development began before Wood Zone and Genocide City Zone?

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From the looks of it, there are 5 time zones. There's the normal present, which we start off with. I believe Eggman just goes to the medieval times to ruin shit but we don't see what's actually in the medieval times, since the maps don't seem to fit medieval times. There's then the ruined present, a.k.a. "NOW 2". Then there's the ancient times, with Olympus and shit. Finally, there's the future, with Casino Night and Genocide City.

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