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Sonic CD US - Past Soundtrack Do they exist?

#31 User is offline Josh 

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I... I can't believe we're seriously having this debate. In 2015. I mean, I remember reading an archive of an Usenet discussion from 1993, shortly after Sonic CD's release. And it was pretty much the exact same arguments on either side. It's as passé as Joel vs. Mike.

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It's totally subjective. One isn't really any better than the other, beyond your own tastes. So, okay, here's mine: The JP/EU soundtrack is certainly more Sonic-y, and usually provides a much stronger medley. Plus, it's cohesive with the past versions. The US soundtrack is more nostalgic for me personally, and has a sense of atmosphere that wasn't often seen in video game music, especially back then. I love them both equally, they're both fantastic, and I find myself switching between them on the Taxman remaster pretty much every time I play it.

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Back on topic...

It would be pretty cool to have Past music in the US style. I'd make some myself, but I'm not sure how I'd get started.

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Hm... is Spencer Nilsen still active? It'd be a longshot, but I'd definitely contribute to some kind of Kickstarter campaign for him to make a past soundtrack.

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View PostJosh, on 14 April 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

Hm... is Spencer Nilsen still active? It'd be a longshot, but I'd definitely contribute to some kind of Kickstarter campaign for him to make a past soundtrack.

I dunno if that's a good idea. Do you think SEGA would actually approve something like this?

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I don't know if they have to. They didn't seem to have the rights to the US soundtrack a few years ago. We weren't sure if the Taxman remaster would include it or not and it was added in fairly close to the end as far as I remember.

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Also, David Wise (Donkey Kong Country composer) has worked on remixes for OC Remix projects of his own work, so I'd imagine he could do it, regardless of whether SEGA owns the rights.

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I did some spelunking through the forum pertaining to my idea and it looks like it could be feasible, if not by my hand than by someone else's, definitely.

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Well, a Sonic CD disassembly is being worked on, this means that learning how to use the Ricoh chip will be possible, so it would be matter of getting samples, make the arrangments from the present versions to make them past-like and then voila, Sonic CD US past versions songs.
I personally would like to get my hands on that ricoh chip and make it work in a Sonic 1 ported to CD, but lets be honest, Im useless. Im not being able to complete any task that I wanted to so, so better stop dreaming.
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If anyone's up to the task of making some interpretive versions of the US soundtrack to cover the past, there's no reason to wait for SCD's version of SMPS to be fully cracked. Either a MIDI with a custom sounfont or a simple XM or IT module would do fine, and it could be ported later when the music format is cracked.

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The format's been 'cracked' for ages. There's nothing unknown about it.

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View PostJaxTH, on 11 April 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

View PostXCubed, on 11 April 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Honestly the only fitting songs from the U.S. soundtrack are Palmtree Panic and Quartz quadrant. The rest is trash and was an obvious rush job. JP erosion is the complete and real version. Thank goodness it was finally fixed as I was posses with my version of the Gems Collection.

How can you not like all US Stardust Speedway music as equally as the JP one!?

Also the US Special stage music is better than the JP one.


Stardust Speedway US version especially sucks compared to the U.S. Version. I still can't tell the Good and Bad Futures apart. Cash Cash did give it life though.

Even to this day I can't stand Acts that don't share a general melodic theme. Jun's work was piecemeal in Sonic 4. In Sonic CD (US) it was just a miss-mashed soup. The JP tracks were 100% cohesive in levels. The only other series to do this was Sonic Advance 1,2, 3, and the first Sonic Rush. Sonic and the Deadly Six came close.

I'm probably just a music snob and believe all music has its place, but composition ideas should not mingle with radically different ideas. I'm all about variations on the same idea. How can we have multiple examples of 4 variations on a single theme in Sonic CD and Sonic Advance and then have Jun turn around and make 6 unique themes for Splash Hill and Sylvania Castle??? Pick an idea and stick with it and use the rest for other things!
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View PostXCubed, on 30 May 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

Even to this day I can't stand Acts that don't share a general melodic theme. Jun's work was piecemeal in Sonic 4. In Sonic CD (US) it was just a miss-mashed soup. The JP tracks were 100% cohesive in levels. The only other series to do this was Sonic Advance 1,2, 3, and the first Sonic Rush. Sonic and the Deadly Six came close.


Colours, Generations?

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View PostXCubed, on 30 May 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

View PostJaxTH, on 11 April 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

View PostXCubed, on 11 April 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Honestly the only fitting songs from the U.S. soundtrack are Palmtree Panic and Quartz quadrant. The rest is trash and was an obvious rush job. JP erosion is the complete and real version. Thank goodness it was finally fixed as I was posses with my version of the Gems Collection.

How can you not like all US Stardust Speedway music as equally as the JP one!?

Also the US Special stage music is better than the JP one.


Stardust Speedway US version especially sucks compared to the U.S. Version. I still can't tell the Good and Bad Futures apart. Cash Cash did give it life though.

Even to this day I can't stand Acts that don't share a general melodic theme. Jun's work was piecemeal in Sonic 4. In Sonic CD (US) it was just a miss-mashed soup. The JP tracks were 100% cohesive in levels. The only other series to do this was Sonic Advance 1,2, 3, and the first Sonic Rush. Sonic and the Deadly Six came close.

I'm probably just a music snob and believe all music has its place, but composition ideas should not mingle with radically different ideas. I'm all about variations on the same idea. How can we have multiple examples of 4 variations on a single theme in Sonic CD and Sonic Advance and then have Jun turn around and make 6 unique themes for Splash Hill and Sylvania Castle??? Pick an idea and stick with it and use the rest for other things!

I'm more impressed that in all of this, you failed to mention Sonic 3.

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View PostGeneHF, on 31 May 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

I'm more impressed that in all of this, you failed to mention Sonic 3.


Wow, even I forgot about Sonic 3...

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View PostGeneHF, on 31 May 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

View PostXCubed, on 30 May 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:

View PostJaxTH, on 11 April 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

View PostXCubed, on 11 April 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Honestly the only fitting songs from the U.S. soundtrack are Palmtree Panic and Quartz quadrant. The rest is trash and was an obvious rush job. JP erosion is the complete and real version. Thank goodness it was finally fixed as I was posses with my version of the Gems Collection.

How can you not like all US Stardust Speedway music as equally as the JP one!?

Also the US Special stage music is better than the JP one.


Stardust Speedway US version especially sucks compared to the U.S. Version. I still can't tell the Good and Bad Futures apart. Cash Cash did give it life though.

Even to this day I can't stand Acts that don't share a general melodic theme. Jun's work was piecemeal in Sonic 4. In Sonic CD (US) it was just a miss-mashed soup. The JP tracks were 100% cohesive in levels. The only other series to do this was Sonic Advance 1,2, 3, and the first Sonic Rush. Sonic and the Deadly Six came close.

I'm probably just a music snob and believe all music has its place, but composition ideas should not mingle with radically different ideas. I'm all about variations on the same idea. How can we have multiple examples of 4 variations on a single theme in Sonic CD and Sonic Advance and then have Jun turn around and make 6 unique themes for Splash Hill and Sylvania Castle??? Pick an idea and stick with it and use the rest for other things!

I'm more impressed that in all of this, you failed to mention Sonic 3.



Interestingly, Lava Reef demonstrates a way that a shift in composition can intentionally, completely change the tone of the atmosphere when necessary. Also, you both forgot about Sonic 3D Blast, and Sonic 3D; Flickies Island :v:/>
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