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I was just thinking today about ways they could still make Knuckles hunt for emerald shards. They could make the levels essentially like Sonic's, but in order to get to the goal you would have to find the three emerald shards. Think werehog stages, only with more platforming and paths. Knuckles's gameplay could encourage exploration yet at the same time not being a confusing mess.
I was just thinking today about ways they could still make Knuckles hunt for emerald shards. They could make the levels essentially like Sonic's, but in order to get to the goal you would have to find the three emerald shards. Think werehog stages, only with more platforming and paths. Knuckles's gameplay could encourage exploration yet at the same time not being a confusing mess.
TheInvisibleSun, on 15 March 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:
Dark Sonic, on 15 March 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:
I long for the day when Knuckles has some gameplay that's good, perhaps a werehog lite with more platforming and less fighting. Or even just Sonic's SA1 levels. Who cares. I just want to run around as Knuckles again.
Or stages like his SA1 levels, made slightly more linear with an actual goal ring (and maybe a compass to keep one from getting totally lost on stages like Red Mountain), with searching for other things (power-ups, emerald shards, secrets, hidden stages/areas/paths etc.) being left as options not required for stage/game completion. Collecting most/all of them could unlock extras, and maybe more stages/acts.
EDIT: At most, there should be at least a minimum number of shards (maybe 2-3) to find to get through to the end of the stage and game. You could get the special ending/Super Knuckles by getting all of them. The normal ones required for stage completion would be placed somewhere within the main path, and/or any alternate paths. However, the extra ones will be hidden a bit better, and more creatively. Exploring for extra shards within other paths (or hidden ones) provides for extra replayability.
This post has been edited by TheInvisibleSun: 19 March 2012 - 12:21 AM
I hated hunting for emerald shards, it always gave me motion sickness. This plus the fact that at times I would spend a half hour trying to look for them was not fun at all.
It would be great if Knuckles made an appearance in S4:Ep3. That is if Ep 3 even comes to light. But IMO that's not enough. I loved how much of a bad ass he was in S3 and now he seems like a shell of his former self. I say give Knuckles another game with just him and possibly Team Chaotix. Knuckles' Chaotix 2? Hell, I'd buy it.
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Yerah, they definitely need to give Knuckles a prominent role. He's with Sonic and gang often because in Adventure he was portrayed as very alone and obviously the company seems to be good for him. Whatw e need to see if evidence that he's guarding the Master Emerald rather than being a filler character. I'm sure Knuckles could have far more adventures based around the Master Emerald, even if he carries it with him in a small size. A game being Knuckles would be great, even if in part, because I don't really care for full spin-offs.
Really, I think that the Chaotix needs to start filling the role that they do in the Archie comics. They help Knuckles guard Angel Island and, by extension, the Master Emerald. If his talents are necessary elsewhere, or if he deems Eggman's next batshit insane scheme to be a tangential danger to the Master Emerald, he can just ask his homies to hold the fort while he goes and handles business.
I mean, why not? Sure, the Chaotix are a detective agency now, but they're a bumbling detective agency. They really can't do anything right anyway. It's not unusual for Knuckles to call in a favor every once in a while. Heck, the Chaotix can even go to him to convince him it's a good idea, with him being reluctant to leave the Master Emerald under the care of a buffoon, a stoic ninja, and a hyperactive child. But ultimately, they are his friends.
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I think that'd work. The Chaotix could be to Knuckles what Tails and Amy are to Sonic. If anything that would give Knuckles an even greater role in the series as he would be important enough to have his own entourage. Similarly, Shadow has Omega and Rouge.
TheInvisibleSun, on 19 March 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:
EDIT: At most, there should be at least a minimum number of shards (maybe 2-3) to find to get through to the end of the stage and game. You could get the special ending/Super Knuckles by getting all of them. The normal ones required for stage completion would be placed somewhere within the main path, and/or any alternate paths. However, the extra ones will be hidden a bit better, and more creatively. Exploring for extra shards within other paths (or hidden ones) provides for extra replayability.
Now thats a good idea in my opinion. SA1 had an...ok radar, and SA2's radar makes me rage. It seems like the better option would be just drop it completely and, like you said, put the shards on the main path with some bonus ones hidden around for you to find. I don't mind hunting for things in levels, but the radar just mocks you. Its almost like the beeping is radar language for "haha, its right in front of you and you don't see it!" The monitors provided better hints. I just wish Sega could find a balance in Knuckles gameplay that makes it challenging, but not obnoxious with fake difficulty.
Heck, the Chaotix can even go to him to convince him it's a good idea, with him being reluctant to leave the Master Emerald under the care of a buffoon, a stoic ninja, and a hyperactive child. But ultimately, they are his friends.
I thought Knuckles' relationship with the Chaotix was retconned?
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Actually it's technically not been. Knuckles only teamed up with the Chaotix in the japanese version after helping them free and didn't know them beforehand. This is still easily able to fit in to the current games, where Knuckles and the Chaotix know of each others existence, but don't really have any real interaction.
The english manual just doesn't actually make sense in it's entirety, leaving the japanese version (as with all the old Sonic games) the true version.
I'd like to see Mighty return, maybe with Ray. Those are two great characters which could be used again.
This post has been edited by SpeedStarTMQ: 19 March 2012 - 07:07 PM
Vector knows his name in Sonic Heroes despite never being shown interacting with him, so it's quite possible they know each other whether or not the Carnival Island incident is still canon.
The Chaotix guarding it actually makes a lot of sense, and it's a far better alternative than someone smashing the Emerald every freakin' game. Not a bad idea.
Personally, I'd just been rationalizing that Eggman and Rouge are the only ones we know of who've actually managed to even get close enough to it, and both times it was shattered Knuckles was standing right there. It can be assumed he's got other booby traps on the island to deal with the less competent thieves when keeping tabs on the guy always searching for rocks to power his latest world-annihilating scheme is probably more important.
Through the years Knuckles has gotten more pathetic game after game. Hell, his debut was his all-time high point. But it seems like now he's near the bottom of the list in terms of significance, while Silver and Shadow are at the top with Sonic and Tails.. which is wrong on so many levels.
I wish he was as badass as he was in S3K.. or if anything.. as godly as he was in Sonic the Hedgehog The Movie back in '96. I mean come on, the dude is flying or levitating. That right there is NOT gliding. Watch at 22:16, 25:25, 26:10, 33:03, 44:04.. you get the picture. Watch the whole movie for all I care.
It really makes no sense how they'd introduce a concept and throw it out there in an anime and whatnot, then scrap it from any future anime after that (Sonic X). It terms of gameplay capabilities though, Knuckles has been demoted into a lazy npc you just talk to for unhelpful game hints. It doesn't make sense.. Sonic has many gained abilities through the years, while Knuckles lost almost all of them. We've never seen him go Super after S3K, yet newly introduced characters have. If you wanna count Heroes' pseudo-super form where he has a S3K-looking fire shield as anything.. nice try. The sad part is he hasn't been a priority to the Sonic canon in the Modern Generation.
This post has been edited by Knucklez: 19 March 2012 - 08:07 PM
I'd like to see Knuckles involvement in the series on the forefront again as well. I liked the idea of Kunckles Gameplay being a cross between WereSonic, and his SA gameplay. If SEGA wanted to dip intro some retro flare they could do a game based around Eggman wanting to harness the energy of the Master Emerald. The story could revolve around Eggman distracting Sonic and Tails with Metal Sonic or Mecha Sonic, while he goes to raid the Emerald from Knuckles. Knuckles fends off lazer fire and mechanical machinery used to fight off Knuckles. A hard shot to the Egg O Mattic disables Eggmans machine, but he has one more trick up his sleeve, He fires a high powered lazer at Knuckles in anger, Knuckles avoids the blast but unfortunately the Master Emerald is hit and an explosion is triggered. The blast sends Emerald rays towards Knuckles knocking him out cold. Eggman shocked at what has happened runs away before Sonic and Tails enter the scene. They discover their friend knocked out cold and they gather him up and take him to safety. The Master Emerald is now unstable with electrical charges coming from it causing Angel Island and surrounding area going haywire.
Sonic and Tails know that from past experiences that the Chaos Emeralds will help their friend and help restore the Master Emerald in it's place. Sonic and Tails go on their journey trying to gain the Chaos Emeralds but they are met again by challenging foes of Eggmans Mech's and Metal Sonic this time taking the place of Eggman. Eggman on the other hand is hard at work at his base coming up with a machine to go into the realm of the Emeralds and gain them for himself. Knuckles stuck in a coma like state must fight to regain himself by fending off Eggman in a flashback like journey though his life from the Genesis to the SA days. Eggman has a trick up his sleeve to use the power of the Master Emerald to control Knuckles himself or at least that's what he thinks. With this experiement he causes a being called Chaos Knuckles to come forth (borrowed this idea from the Archie series). With Knuckles gameplay going through and trying to restore himself, Chaos Knuckles is running through the island causing havoc and disruption to not only Sonic and Tails but to Metal Sonic and his minions as well.
The rest of the story can be expanded upon but I just wanted to add my 2 cents to the conversation. But having Eggman mess with Knuckles in the Special Stage like setting and more modified flashback areas like him visiting past zones but they be heavily disturbed, (think Sonic06 End of the World) while he is in a dream like state trying to regain himself, whereas a mutated version of himself is running free causing havoc, and Sonic and Tails fending off Eggmans Mechs and Metal Sonic would intertwine like past storys of the games but offer Knuckles the limelight, but still have Sonic and Tails play a pivital role. I would have Eggman and Knuckles face off at the end trying to rescue his unstable Master Emerald. You could have Chaos Knuckles (his spiritual self) being the key to reviving Knuckles with the power of the 7 Chaos Emeralds rescued from Metal Sonic by Sonic and Tails. You could have Knuckles turn Super, but absorbing his spiritual self turns himself into a Green Super State, which could be an evolution of himself.
Sonic and Tails on the other hand would have to face off against Metal Sonic whom steals the gathered 7 Emeralds from them and turn into Super Metal Sonic. Sonic and Tails fight off an battle with Metal Sonic but Metal Sonic is winning until Chaos Knuckles comes and disrupts the battle. Super Metal Sonic and Chaos Knuckles end up fighting, but the force of the Emeralds cause Chaos Knuckles to be knocked out. With the impact of the 2 The Chaos Emeralds are set free and Sonic grabs them and is able to go super and finish the job on Metal Sonic, as his Super State is failing him and not working with his machinery. This story would lead up to the final battle for Knuckles restoring him and crushing Eggman's plans.
Another good idea for a Knuckles exclusive game would be to not even include Robotnik, Sonic and his friends. It would take place on Angel Island of course and the main protagonist could be someone that actually resides on the island OR Fang. Again, he could be after the Master Emerald and of course Knuckles and Team Chaotix would be there to save the day. Just because Robotnik isn't there doesn't mean that Angel Island has it's own bad seeds. Just a thought.
