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#61 User is offline E-122-Psi 

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The only thing that truly bugged me about Cream, voice aside, is that she is basically a 'better' Tails, she has his fly move with little downgrades along with her game breaking Chao attacks. The latter makes her unique but the former takes away what makes another unique. This is kinda why advise having at least some differences in gameplay abilities, Knuckles and Tails themselves were leaning into being better equipped versions of Sonic in the 2D series.

Other than, she's okay I guess, she looks a bit generic design wise and obviously Tastes Like Diabetes, but neither really to the extent she becomes unbearable with it. She might seem more genuinely cute if they give her a better voice.

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To me, if you're gonna include other characters, have them simply play as different 'flavors' of Sonic.

Tails is Sonic but with more focus on vertical exploration. Knuckles is Sonic but with more focus on offensive attacks (Werehog minus stretchy arms and annoying battle music a plus) and hidden routes.

Both wouldn't have the boost, of course, but would have a meter like the boost. (For Tails it would be a flight meter and Knuckles a rage meter like Unleashed) They would however still be reasonably fast and not Big levels of slowness or anything like that, to not alienate anyone who likes the GOTTA GO FAST gameplay.

Pretty simple solution, really. Not sure why Sonic Team finds that so difficult since Sonic 3 and Knuckles... :v:
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The problem seems to be more about getting all those Sonic 'flavors' worked out in 3D without having to resort to using 2D as a crutch. Which they've pretty much done since 2008, sliding in a few 3D platforming bits on top of the 3D racing to make it less obvious.

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USELESS IDEAS!!!

Silver the Hedgehog

A villain from the future has escaped, and is hiding on time! Follow suit!

Levels are structured as in Shadow the Hedgehog, with your actions determining what level you proceed to. Your

objective is to catch the villain, who would either be on the central timeline or on levels marked. To catch him,

you must follow the same level progression he did; fail it, and you start causing alternate timelines. This can be

fun for exploration issues- finding upgrades only available in specific levels, etc. In the menu, you have an

option to return to the last level you were in in which your timeline corresponded with the villain's- this would

trigger a rush level based on mirrored layouts of the levels in your timeline.

Silver plays in 2d, not so much like a Sonic platformer (with a focus on pinballing and whatnot) but more like a

platformer focusing on his psychic powers.








Chaotix Detective Agency

A game where you play as the Chaotix, duh.

The Chaotix' Agency serves as a hub. Vector recieves missions, which the player then chooses to play or not.

Gameplay is 2d, with the characters playing as a mix of Chaotix and Heroes- you control the team at the same time

(think Sonic 2 Heroes). Espio plays like in Chaotix with the addition of using his tongue as a grappling hook and

becoming invisible, Vector plays like in Chaotix and can swim, Charmy plays like in Chaotix and can grab the other

teammates for flying around.
On some missions you'd have the whole team, on some only two members, on some you'd use a character solo.

There wouldn't be a specific story, some missions would correlate, some not. Ideally there'd be cameos by

basically everyone ever.


Team Dark Game

A game where gameplay follows much the same logic as the Chaotix one I just suggested.

Your hub is GUN Headquarters. The game would be story-heavy, and there would be main missions essencial for the

story, plus a lot more optional missions.

Gameplay would be 2d. Shadow plays like he would in Adventure 2- spindash, whatnot, plus Chaos Blast and Chaos

Spear and a lot more Chaos abilities that one would personalize and buy in a store in the hub. Rouge plays like

Knuckles who flies, but slow and with near to no defense. Omega is a powerhouse, the slowest but with a lifebar

instead of rings and a whole load of weaponry. Some missions would have the characters alone or in duos, some

would have the whole team.

As for the story? Dunno, haven't thought of it.


Amy and Cream game

Cream takes care of a Chao Garden! Yay!

Eggman hired Fang the Sniper to take all the Chao away because he's a badman! No!

Amy helps Cream along!


Cream plays like in Advance 2. Amy plays like in Advance 1 plus rolling, but with her special attacks (the hammer)

being personalizable and interchangeable with power-ups found in the levels. Now she has no hammer, she has a

slingshot! And now she has a hammer on fire. Or something.



Knuckles and Chaotix game

A beat-'em-'up in the style of Streets of Rage.

Someone stole the Master Emerald. Knuckles parks the Island, grabs the Chaotix to help investigate, and gets

punching.

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I actually really like those concepts, but I think that the Chaotix Detective Agency and Team Dark games would work better in 3D. Especially if you made Chaotix a point-and-click Adventure, or even a kind of L.A. Noire type adventure game with Sonic tropes involved.

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I really liked that chaotix game....but I think that it would suit better if the gameplay were a visual novel, similar to the phoenix Wright Games.

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So what about gameplay ideas for Shadow? Here's some ideas that I came up with.

Chaos Blast: I'm not sure how to implement this in the Unleashed/Generations gameplay without it breaking the pace of the game. However, there could be shortcuts that could require the destruction of an obstacle that could only be destroyed by Knuckles or with Shadow's Chaos Blast. It's not the best idea, but it certainly is a way for Shadow to use his Chaos Blast. It'd be nice to see a return of it, after its horrible portrayal in Sonic 2006.

Chaos Spear: This could be used as an offensive attack against enemies, but with the boost, it would make Chaos Spear kind of redundant. Here's an idea, as far-fetched it may be. So Shadow could use the Chaos Spear, and make it as a personal grind rail for him to use. The aiming of the spear would kind of work as it did for the Cyan Wisp in Sonic Colors. The rail would be made, and Shadow could use it as a mini shortcut. Particularly useful in platforming sections. It could also be useful in bosses, as a way to attack the boss with a projectile. Basically, how he used it in SA2's Ark Battle and SG's Shadow Rival fight.

Chaos Control: Could be used to slow down time around the stage, but not Shadow himself. Probably like a less broken Red Gem from Sonic 2006. He could also use it to transport through walls, using that as a shortcut.

Thoughts?

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View PostThe KKM, on 02 March 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Knuckles and Chaotix game

A beat-'em-'up in the style of Streets of Rage.

Someone stole the Master Emerald. Knuckles parks the Island, grabs the Chaotix to help investigate, and gets

punching.

This needs to happen.

Maybe not even this specifically, just a Sonic-styled beat-'em-up.

I like beat-'em-ups.

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Meh, I'm one of those guys who really doesn't mind ANY Sonic character at all; at least, no character comes to mind that I'd immediately hate; I also wouldn't at all mind if they brought back other playable characters again, be it with a variation of Sonic's gameplay or their very own style.

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View PostE-122-Psi, on 01 March 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

The only thing that truly bugged me about Cream, voice aside, is that she is basically a 'better' Tails, she has his fly move with little downgrades along with her game breaking Chao attacks. The latter makes her unique but the former takes away what makes another unique. This is kinda why advise having at least some differences in gameplay abilities, Knuckles and Tails themselves were leaning into being better equipped versions of Sonic in the 2D series.

Other than, she's okay I guess, she looks a bit generic design wise and obviously Tastes Like Diabetes, but neither really to the extent she becomes unbearable with it. She might seem more genuinely cute if they give her a better voice.


I don't know about that. Tails can swim. Can Cream swim too? I don't remember there being any underwater levels in Sonic Advance 2 to test that.

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I don't think Tails could swim in Sonic Advance 2 for some odd reason. The first level had water but no water specific levels.

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It would just be hilarious if instead of FPS, the next console generation's market is largely saturated with Sonic spin-offs. They cover every genre and the shoddy quality from making a bunch of Sonic Friends games in such a short amount of time causes the Video Game Crash of 2014.

I wouldn't mind seeing somebody try another (more likely handheld) RPG, but please stay away from touch screen controls and turn-based combat. These are fucking Sonic The Hedgehog characters, why are they standing there waiting for wild boars and SWAT Bots to attack them first?

Edit no. 24&1/2: Those game ideas are pretty cool. You should flesh some of those out and see if anyone's willing to start up a fan game project with you. Heck, I'm already kinda itching to draw concept art of your Chaotix game.
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View PostNomadTW, on 01 March 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

To me, if you're gonna include other characters, have them simply play as different 'flavors' of Sonic.

Tails is Sonic but with more focus on vertical exploration. Knuckles is Sonic but with more focus on offensive attacks (Werehog minus stretchy arms and annoying battle music a plus) and hidden routes.

Both wouldn't have the boost, of course, but would have a meter like the boost. (For Tails it would be a flight meter and Knuckles a rage meter like Unleashed) They would however still be reasonably fast and not Big levels of slowness or anything like that, to not alienate anyone who likes the GOTTA GO FAST gameplay.

Pretty simple solution, really. Not sure why Sonic Team finds that so difficult since Sonic 3 and Knuckles... :v:


Not so sure about Knuckles being more combat based, as that could present a problem in level flow, but the hidden routes thing is a great thing to work upon. Tails would be great for heavy vertical and horizontal platforming, so he can use his flight to use. As for his attacks, I think he should either get his tail whip from Adventure back, or use the homing attack like Sonic. Preferably the tail whip to keep things unique.

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View PostSteelBrush, on 01 March 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

I don't get the Cream hate. Her voice is ear rape but this could easily be changed. Her origins are more fitting of the classic series than anyone else post SA1, except maybe Blaze. She's an innocent, young rabbit that lives in the forest with her mother. Compare that to a hedgehog/alien hybrid created in a lab, a government agent and hedgehog living in a hellish future.

I don't hate Cream for her voice, I hate her because as soon as she was revealed as a new character she immediately became a sex icon

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I love Cream. She is an awesome character which quite honestly has never got the screen time she deserves. I played as her in Advance 2, thought she was awesome as fuck, then played as her in Heroes and Advance 3, then never ever played as her again. She can fly, she has a Chao that she can throw at stuff and she is a very cute looking character. She was the Advance series version of the original Tails. She has a lot of personality, in fact, more than most Sonic characters- she cries, she laughs, she gets angry and frustrated, and despite the attitude and being something like 6 or 7 years old (depending on the game), she cans till kick arse out of a fat bloke in huge metal machines armed with cannons, machine guns and the like.

It's irritating that she hasn't had any more time as a playable character, and SEGA have been stupid enough not to continue her development by letting her see Blaze again. Yeah, we know she lives with her mum in the forest somewhere with Gemerl, but frankly that should lead to some really great stuff. They need to start developing their existing characters much more now, including the Chaotix, who also started off brilliantly, came back fantastically in Heroes, then were reduced to total stupidity in Shadow The Hedgehog.

Lastly, I find it sickening what people do with Cream. I typed in her name on google and on the first page of moderate safesearch, got porn. Seriously.
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