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#76 User is offline Rika Chou 

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View PostAzukara, on 19 February 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

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I'm surprised noone made out this when they traced over it..

Because in this case, it's definitely that baddie, and it's jumping.

I think I can see his legs more like this:

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View PostRika Chou, on 19 February 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

View PostAzukara, on 19 February 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

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I'm surprised noone made out this when they traced over it..

Because in this case, it's definitely that baddie, and it's jumping.

I think I can see his legs more like this:

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Yeah, I knew mine was a bit guessy in the way the legs looked, but that's gotta be how it is.

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I just noticed in the picture with Sonic running, the Japanese words appear behind the clouds and trees.

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This is pretty incredible! = D Who would have guessed that an actual pixel-art version of one of the original "monstrous" enemies was present in the 1990 Tech Demo? It shows how far they went with that concept of Sonic's world, before scrapping it for the whole "badnik" angle. If only the original demo could be found...!

Looking forward to seeing clearer scans if/when the guy who owns the mag gets near to a scanner - I can't imagine you'll see any noticable extra detail beyond what we have now, but it should at least give a slightly clearer and less grainy look at the new images. = )
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View PostRika Chou, on 20 February 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

I just noticed in the picture with Sonic running, the Japanese words appear behind the clouds and trees.


Whoa! You're right. So, that must have been part of the background perhaps?
Sorry if I missed this on here, but anyone know what the Japanese words say in that picture?

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View PostRika Chou, on 20 February 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

I just noticed in the picture with Sonic running, the Japanese words appear behind the clouds and trees.
Not only that! In the same shot, look closely at the cloud on the far left. It overlaps the tree to the left - meaning the clouds in this version of the level were drawn on a higher plane overlapping the level art, similar to the foreground trees and rocks also present in this demo, as opposed to being drawn on a low plane like the final GHZ's clouds as most people probably would've otherwise assumed.

The amount of interesting little titbits of information present in these two small images is quite satisfying to see. = )
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View PostCinossu, on 19 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

You guys do realise, using the Ending palette for the purple flowers, that Palette Line 0 uses blue and red (as in the screenshot), and Palette Line 1 uses purple and yellow (as in that concept art)?

EDIT: Palette for reference:
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...Allowing them to make two differently colored versions of the same enemy, just like the turtles in Super Mario Bros.


I'm surprised they didn't make the bushes using cloud tiles. =P

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View PostAlriightyman, on 20 February 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

View PostRika Chou, on 20 February 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

I just noticed in the picture with Sonic running, the Japanese words appear behind the clouds and trees.


Whoa! You're right. So, that must have been part of the background perhaps?
Sorry if I missed this on here, but anyone know what the Japanese words say in that picture?


http://forums.sonicr...ndpost&p=662069 :)

It doesn't really look like the graphics overlap it. I'd just assume they're graphics form the magazine, though I could be wrong. How long are those scans gonna take :colbert:

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Wouldn't this mean that not only the trees in front were sprites, but also the clouds?

No wonder why Naka achieved to make so many "scroll layers" in that demo, they obviously didn't have much stuff going on at that time...

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View PostShoemanbundy, on 20 February 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

View PostAlriightyman, on 20 February 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

View PostRika Chou, on 20 February 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

I just noticed in the picture with Sonic running, the Japanese words appear behind the clouds and trees.


Whoa! You're right. So, that must have been part of the background perhaps?
Sorry if I missed this on here, but anyone know what the Japanese words say in that picture?


http://forums.sonicr...ndpost&p=662069 :)

It doesn't really look like the graphics overlap it. I'd just assume they're graphics form the magazine, though I could be wrong. How long are those scans gonna take :colbert:

I thought that too at first. Then I looked at it a little closer. Here's a visual aid:

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That text is definitely part of the ROM being executed.

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View PostLocalH, on 20 February 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

View PostShoemanbundy, on 20 February 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

View PostAlriightyman, on 20 February 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

View PostRika Chou, on 20 February 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

I just noticed in the picture with Sonic running, the Japanese words appear behind the clouds and trees.


Whoa! You're right. So, that must have been part of the background perhaps?
Sorry if I missed this on here, but anyone know what the Japanese words say in that picture?


http://forums.sonicr...ndpost&p=662069 :)

It doesn't really look like the graphics overlap it. I'd just assume they're graphics form the magazine, though I could be wrong. How long are those scans gonna take :colbert:

I thought that too at first. Then I looked at it a little closer. Here's a visual aid:

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That text is definitely part of the ROM being executed.


Also, the Monster/Badnik's glove looks like it uses the same red on the palette as the text is.

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I'm starting to wonder if this demo was playable or if it was just a pure scrolling demo. It would make sense for that text to appear on the screen during a scrolling demo. Probably not though.

I wonder if earlier Beep MD issues had a more detailed cover up of this title?
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For the curious, the text says something along the lines of "debut approaching".

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That's hard to say. We know they've used similar screens in other early builds that were playable (see Sonic CD 510's "COMING SOON"). I guess right now the only ones who know that for sure are the ones involved in the early S1 development. Naka (based on what little he publically said) didn't seem to have any issue with the fact that Sonic was being controlled by a human, and I would think that if that demo was self-running, he'd probably have remembered that and mentioned it. Not rock-solid proof, but fairly logical conjecture.

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Alright I must have missed the part of the thread where someone showed that the guy took a photo of the magazine since I didn't know we had it at that quality yet :o

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