[SpeedStarTMQ]

Skyler, on 22 June 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

Tails is a master mechanic, he probably got it all fixed up sometime after S3&K.

This.
See the opening portion with the Tornado, then see it when he picks Sonic back up again. Sonic 3 & Knuckles happens a small length of time after Sonic 2, so it's brought back (probably for speed purposes to reach their destination), but Sonic 4 seems to take place an unknown amount of time after it, so the Tornado is fixed completely. This fix then lasts the rest of the series, but subsequent variations of the Tornado created by Tails have their own built in thrusters and such. So far there's three variants of the Tornado excluding prototypes and things like the plane at the beginning of Sonic Adventure.

[XCubed]

My, how bland Wing Fortress is looking these days.

Anywho,

So you mean to tell me Tails didn't have time to fix it, but at the end of the game what do we see? No rocket (doesn't matter, it's the same with Sonic or Super Sonic).




And here, he's found a way to have both the Rocket AND the front wheels (missing at the end of Wing Fortress).






I don't think this was EVER previously mentioned, btw.


What the hell Tails (or should I say Sonic Team)?

This post has been edited by XCubed: 22 June 2012 - 09:05 PM

[Aesculapius Piranha]

They are obviously peeling back to the roots of the characters, and therefore no rocket on the prop plane (which made zero sense in the first place). I was quite happy with the sky chase/wing fortress... improvements.

[SuicidalComedy]

So, as we're all aware, Sonic The Hedgehog 4: Episode 2 was not released for the Wii. In your personal opinion, why do you think SEGA chose not to release Episode 2 on the Wii?

IMO, I think it was because of two reasons:

1) Wii storage limitations.

As we all know, the Wii's internal storage is pathetic with a "whooping" 512MB internal storage. SEGA had to change the music in Episode 1 to coding instead of raw music files for it to be able to even fit accordingly on the Wii (Which, to some people, sounded better to them). I figure that SEGA wasn't up to the challenge to do this to Episode 2 due to just laziness. Not to mention Episode Metal would've had to have the same thing done to it as Episode 1, and even Episode 2 as well.

2) Nobody plays the Wii anymore.

Lets be honest here, How many of you have a Wii sitting at home collecting dust? My guess, almost everyone that owns another major console such as the 360 or PS3, including myself. The Wii just isn't meant to be a major hardcore game console. With the lack of HD support, shitty storage space and overall weak technical specifications, nobody is going to spend the money to get Episode 2 on the Wii if they can get it on another major game console.

So, what are your opinions? I'd like to know.

[GeneHF]

Reason #1 is dead on.

Reason #2 is down right stupid and you should feel bad for even thinking it.

[SuicidalComedy]

GeneHF, on 30 June 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Reason #1 is dead on.

Reason #2 is down right stupid and you should feel bad for even thinking it.

It's actually true, and I didn't say that NOBODY would pay for Episode 2 on a Wii, I said that nobody would pay for it if they had an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and nobody can deny that. My statement saying that nobody plays the Wii is pretty much true at this point. Look around places other than the retro forums, because obviously, they're are decent Sonic games that keep fans playing their Wii's (*cough* Sonic Colors *cough*).

[Kharen]

I have a Wii and I still play it. I have Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, and Legend of Zelda - Twilight Princess. The library here also lends out Wii games as well, so I've gotten to play Donkey Kong Country Returns, Rayman Origins, Sonic Colors, Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, etc.

There are a bunch of good Wii games other than Sonic Colors, if you bother to look for them.

[dsrb]

SuicidalComedy, on 30 June 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

GeneHF, on 30 June 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

[Saying that nobody still plays the Wii] is down right stupid and you should feel bad for even thinking it.

It's actually true […] My statement saying that nobody plays the Wii is pretty much true at this point.

Yes! When presented with a challenge to one's argument, don't worry about providing evidence for your sweeping claim, for simply repeating it louder makes you win!

Although I like how you seem to be losing confidence in yourself over time, even within the same post: first it's unequivocally true, then it's "pretty much true"; soon it'll be "well, some people probably don't play it, maybe, or at least one person". Then we'll be getting somewhere

This post has been edited by dsrb: 01 July 2012 - 05:11 AM

[BlackHole]

SuicidalComedy, on 30 June 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

My statement saying that nobody plays the Wii is pretty much true at this point.

I still play it. I happen to quite enjoy the games on it over the X-box 360 and PlayStation games.

Does that mean I'm nobody? Awesome, I'd better go stop Eggman from using that Hyper-go-on power!

[BlueAuraEX]

Sonic games have always been a bit...Weird, with their continuitys. Hell, look at Sonic CD now "officially" being part of the Sonic Trilogy timeline. When you play Sonic 1 to 3&K, then pop in Sonic CD, and afterwards play Sonic 4: Ep.1&2 on your PS3/Xbox360....Yeah, you get my point. As for the Wii scenario, come on, don't say that about the Wii. Sure, it's not as high-tech and outstanding as the competition, but there's way~ more you can do with the Wii than what you can do on those two other systems.

Once you get into the hacking scene on the Wii, that's truly when the system shines it's best. The fact it's so easy to get into to do as such is also another uniqueness about it. As for just the Wii itself, I still love Super Smash Bros. Brawl to this day. Mario Kart Wii is still good and fun. Sonic Colors was actually the first really good Sonic game in years, and it was a freaking Wii exclusive! There's also Donkey Kong Country Returns, and of course the Wii Shop Channel, and Mii Channel, etc. All in all, be a bro, don't diss the Wii, yo.

[Covarr]

Here's the thing SuicidalComedy... a lot of people only have a Wii but not a 360 or PS3. Especially kids. S4E2 would easily have sold well on the Wii. It's not really reasonable to look at this from a core gamer's point of view, when the game is primarily targeting a younger audience than that.

[Skyler]

Colors sold over a million units, and that was Wii exclusive.

[Knucklez]

Skyler, on 01 July 2012 - 09:40 AM, said:

Colors sold over a million units, and that was Wii exclusive.

It was on the DS too. But then again, Colors for DS was just another Sonic Rush.

[SpeedStarTMQ]

SuicidalComedy, on 30 June 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

GeneHF, on 30 June 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Reason #1 is dead on.

Reason #2 is down right stupid and you should feel bad for even thinking it.

It's actually true, and I didn't say that NOBODY would pay for Episode 2 on a Wii, I said that nobody would pay for it if they had an Xbox 360 or a PS3 and nobody can deny that. My statement saying that nobody plays the Wii is pretty much true at this point. Look around places other than the retro forums, because obviously, they're are decent Sonic games that keep fans playing their Wii's (*cough* Sonic Colors *cough*).

I play my Wii constantly. I own a PC for gaming and have a number of games on it, including Sonic Generations, Team Fortress 2, Sonic 4 Episode II, Battlefield 3 and Command & Conquer. We also own a PS3 upstairs, and there's two Wii's. I actually play the Wii much more than any of the other consoles due to my own preference of games.

The problem is that people aren't marketed the best Wii games because Nintendo can't advertise, therefore they miss them out. To say the Wii isn't meant for "hardcore" gaming is just bogus, sure it doesn't have the graphical capabilities of the 360 and the PS3, but it still provides good online capabilities with a decent amount of online games (I myself own the four Call of Duty's, Conduits, GoldenEye, Guitar Hero's, Mario Kart, Sonic All Stars Racing, DBZ BT3, Smash Bros Brawl, with others providing leaderboards and statistics like Sonic Colours & Black Knight), fantastic offline games (the Mario Galaxy's and Mario in general, Zelda's, Sonics, The RPG's like Xenoblade, The Last Story & Pandora's Tower, the Metroids, Monster Hunter etc), and a wide variety of past titles from the Gamecube library, NES, SNES, N64, Master System and MegaDrive. The Wii can't always keep up with the usual flow of titles from other platforms, but it has its own wide amount of exclusive games which blow the shit out of other titles on the Wii and also the PS3 and 360.

Unfortunately, the Wii can't run the most powerful games, therefore a lot of fantastic 3rd party titles are overlooked. The Wii is also at the end of its life, so there's little incentive for developers to bother porting the latest games for it, instead focusing on the WiiU. That said, it's difficult to justify saying that the Wii is or was never meant for "hardcore" games. Perhaps you prefer the other systems titles, but that's preference.

Personally, I never liked the term "hardcore" anyway. What is a hardcore game? I've been gaming since the MegaDrive days, and we called the other sort of titles "mini games" or "crap".

Edit: the BEST control for playing Sonic 4 is the Wiimote. It has the best D-pad.

Edit 2: The reason why Ep II wasnt' released on Wii was due to space issues, but it was solely that, it had nothing to do with SEGA being to lazy to shrink the game size. The Wii's download limit per game is 40MB, even the iPod version of Epp II was 406MB. You're telling me that they could cut the music down to save little over 350MB? That ain't ever gonna happen.

This post has been edited by SpeedStarTMQ: 01 July 2012 - 10:14 AM

[Overlord]

Yeah, Gene was right. #1 is the reason there's no Episode 2 on Wii. Your second reason is not only nonsensical (see the Colours sales), it doesn't stand up to any sort of logic. Sonic titles have sold best on Nintendo platforms for the last few years, why would they not release a Wii version if there was any chance of doing so without crippling the game?