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Ken Penders came, he saw, and he stalled. And he won, eventually. Mayb Veni Vidi Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Vici

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 05:03 PM

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QUOTE (BlazeHedgehog @ Jul 8 2010, 02:57 PM)
This makes me angry. How on earth can anybody be so completely oblivious to bullshit? My understanding is that he basically didn't have any other option to because the disaster Ken and Karl left behind was such a tangled, jumbled up clusterfuck that it wasn't really worth straightening everything out individually. It was easier just to say "A thumbsup.png nd now the castle explodes and everybody is captured and Dr. Eggman pretty much wins, at least for now."

Thus overriding any previous dangling plot threads with a blanket answer of "Well, they got captured. Probably died."

Seriously, I don't nerd rage about many things - or at least I try not to - but the fact that anybody could be rooting for this guy makes me want to punch somebody in the throat. He stagnated for years, wrote himself in to a corner more times than I can remember, stretched out story arcs so long even he forgot that they existed, and probably would have killed this comic book if it wasn't for the license attached to it. He certainly doesn't seem to be doing very well outside of Sonic if he has to resort to squelching Archie for more cash on the basis of "copyright infringement".

And somehow, this man developed his own meager, demented fanbase that still post about Sonic comics on his forum to this day even though he hasn't touched the characters in almost five years.

Getting fired is what he deserved. Even he admitted that he overstayed his welcome. But apparently he didn't overstay it enough if he's come back asking for a handout.

Ken Penders can eat a dick.

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QUOTE (Jay T. @ Jul 8 2010, 04:45 PM)
Apologies for being way off topic with this, but this is something I need to ask you guys.

I have never read any Sonic comic because if I remember, they don't sell them here, due to being a rather small area, or something...anyway, I'm 100% sure there's scans of the comics and such around here, but I need to know, which is better to read? Archie or Fleetway? I kind of want to read Fleetway due to the evil Super Sonic, but I dunno. Which is better?

Well, Archie's series has the problem that every 25 to 50 issues it pretty much reboots, and the continuitity is incredibly hard to follow. Ken Penders had this problem, but a lot of the other writers did too. Ian finally stabilized the comic ar 160 but it's so mediocre I wouldn't bother reading it.

With Fleetway it has a very strong continuity and deep story that goes throughout the entire run. I suggest you read Fleetway, and if you really want, the first 70 or so issues of Archie are pretty good too.

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http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon...C=115&SID=9

http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon...HC=48&SID=9

It is all true.

edit: well, not the characters, from what I'm seeing. But artwook, text, even titles is all copyrighted.
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I still don't understand. The works which he's copy written include characters he has absolutely no ownership of. A lot of it, if not all, are entire issues.

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AMY ROSE and DULCY THE DRAGON in THE LIBRARY.
Frontispiece: SHADOW.
JULIE-SU and MIGHTY THE ARMADILLO in THOSE WERE THE DAYS.
KNUCKLES Book Twenty-Five CHILDHOOD'S END.
KNUCKLES' CHAOTIX in "PRISONERS!".
Yeah this is blatant trademark infringement. I'm surprised Sega (and the guy who owns Mighty the Armadillo now) hasn't responded yet...
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QUOTE (Andlabs @ Jul 8 2010, 04:37 PM)
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AMY ROSE and DULCY THE DRAGON in THE LIBRARY.
Frontispiece: SHADOW.
JULIE-SU and MIGHTY THE ARMADILLO in THOSE WERE THE DAYS.
KNUCKLES Book Twenty-Five CHILDHOOD'S END.
KNUCKLES' CHAOTIX in "PRISONERS!".
Yeah this is blatant trademark infringement. I'm surprised Sega (and the guy who owns Mighty the Armadillo now) hasn't responded yet...

Someone else owns Mighty? I thought Sega retained ownership, as a poll conducted a year or two ago included him.

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QUOTE (quarterman @ Jul 8 2010, 07:41 PM)
QUOTE (Andlabs @ Jul 8 2010, 04:37 PM)
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AMY ROSE and DULCY THE DRAGON in THE LIBRARY.
Frontispiece: SHADOW.
JULIE-SU and MIGHTY THE ARMADILLO in THOSE WERE THE DAYS.
KNUCKLES Book Twenty-Five CHILDHOOD'S END.
KNUCKLES' CHAOTIX in "PRISONERS!".
Yeah this is blatant trademark infringement. I'm surprised Sega (and the guy who owns Mighty the Armadillo now) hasn't responded yet...

Someone else owns Mighty? I thought Sega retained ownership, as a poll conducted a year or two ago included him.


If someone does, than I'm sure he gets royalties for everything he appears in (mainly the comic). It might be the same situation with Nack.

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Actually it might have been Nack; I can't find the post that said that one character's artist had left and taken that character with him but I'm pretty certain it's around here somewhere.

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It's disappointing that he's sunk to such lows. As a 9-10 year old kid, I loved the Archie comics, and continued to for years. Yeah, they played out like furry soap operas, but a the time I thought it was cool how deep the stuff was, even if in reality it was pretty convoluted. Started with issue #86, but after #105 or so, I felt like they started to go downhill.

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I think I've only read 2 of them. That one with Shadow on the cover and whichever one was included in Mega Collection (Sonic the Hedgehog Firsts I think).

Can't say I cared for either of them.

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QUOTE (Andlabs @ Jul 8 2010, 07:46 PM)
Actually it might have been Nack; I can't find the post that said that one character's artist had left and taken that character with him but I'm pretty certain it's around here somewhere.


I forgot his name, but he's designed some vinyl toys. Some which look remarkably similar to Nack, so far as saying the characters are weasels and wolves. For that matter, Sega might be worried about using Nack too and it might be the reason hasn't appeared in the games for a very long time. Although Sega probably own what they own. Maybe his designer doesn't get royalties and wanted to keep his character? His toys might be a way of saying, "Nyah, nyah!" to Sega.
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http://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2830

Ian posted this on his forum.

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Behold the monstrosity that is Ken Penders' SONIC LIVE!!
Part 1:
Part 2:
Yep, this is his all time LOW.

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You just HAD to bring up Sonic Live, didn't you? Christ, that was a horrid comic. Penders at his finest, ladies and gentlemen.

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QUOTE (Xeric @ Jul 9 2010, 01:11 AM)


So Ian has no clue about Penders' contract, if there was one at all, which was what I was really interested in. They're ten years apart, how can Ian be so sure that they are the same? The guy even admits that he's not on the loop of everything.
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