Super Sonic in level, Sonic heroes.

As close to a playable 3D Super Sonic in all levels as we will get for now.

Awesome!

 

Or maybe it's some flag to do an exception of generic code. I wouldn't be surprised if Metal Overlord attacks use the hurt function and it checks this flag to prevent Sonic from getting hurt if set (Sonic still gets pushed back and such).

I bet the ring substraction code is part of Metal Overlord's code. If I'm wrong then it may be that SuperSonic was planned for normal levels at one point... but I don't think so.

 

I think it's more likely that the ring subtraction is stored in whatever level-specific code that handles activating Super Sonic in the first place. Since the level is changed mid-level-load, that code doesn't have a chance to consistently execute.

It's just like when you change the level ID in a savestate and reload while the contents of another level are active in Sonic 2—you get all the background scrolling, rotating palettes, and all of the level specific code of the new level with the art and layouts of the level you were originally in. Any of the code run specific to the level you were previously in will no longer be run.

 

Yeah, that could be too. But bear into mind two things:

• In Sonic 3D, level-specific code and boss code are pretty much synonyms in boss levels. Dunno how Sonic Heroes behaves, but I guess you get the point.
• Most likely, Metal Madness and Metal Overlord are handled as completely separate things anyways.

 

Oh boy, this looks excellent!
That would make the first time we can see how Super Sonic would work on a normal level.
Do you intend to give Knuckles and Tails their super shields or glowing like in S3&K or none?

 

I just linked this to Link on MSN if anyone is wondering. He just went offline before I sent the link though, hopefully he'll see this soon.

 

I'd love to have a go as Team Super, but I don't have any addresses etc.

 

That is an neat discovery. Maybe link will update his mem. editor to make this alittle easier on the common folk my computer loads heroes way too fast for what Aquaslash had to do.

 

Just wondering, do you think it would be possible to have Tails and Knuckles shining like in Sonic 3 & Knuckles instead of having those ugly yellow shields?

 

Chances are probably not because there are no rotating Pallets in the game to do so for characters. However you might be able to make their Auras rotate in color. I know it was possible to do that with Super Sonic in the Perfect Chaos battle with his Aura in Sonic Adventure DX PC. (I saw it on Youtube almost a year ago which is where I learned how Adventure couldn't rotate character pallets.) I think it is because the Character's colors are pasted onto their wire Meshes as Skins which means swapping skins in mid game would be very difficult if not impossible to do in a 3D sonic game unless the creators programmed it to.

I don't know though. This is a game different from SADX so I don't know. Ask an expert and see what they say. In the meantime, I'm going to set up a bit torrent and download this baby's PC version. I just hope that the thing that happened with my SADX PC Bit torrent doesn't happen with My Sonic Heroes bit torrent. (When I installed it all music tracks over 1:00 became Windy Valley: Windy Hill theme and none of the Japanese voices along with any of the CGI cinimatics worked correctly. It might have to do with the US PC Version as that is the version I think I have. Also something odd to note: it seems some of the Glitches were fixed in the US PC version that I'm not sure were fixed in the PAL/Japan version. Tails in Emerald Coast is one of them btw.)

 

It wouldn't need to do it in real time but override what the game loads in load time. That, and skins can be swapped, and proof of that are the metallic skins. It's a matter of making the game do something similar.

 

I was talking about swapping them in a way a Super Transformation's Pallet in the old Genesis games would. I don't think it is possible to do that in a 3D sonic game in the same fashion as in the older games. I'm sorry I guess I wasn't being specific enough. If you still don't understand what I'm saying then I guess I'll have to elaborate a little more:

The reason why the Super Form Pallets rotated in the Genesis games was because the colors for the sprite weren't exactly pasted onto the sprite as we all know is the case. In the 3D games the Character's colors are actually skins, that are pasted onto a wire frame Polygon mesh. I was talking about Skins functioning like a rotating Color pallet in the older Sonic Games. I don't think you can do that in the same fashion as the Genesis Sonic games. You can however probably make the Auras around Tails and Knuckles rotate in color as they should be an object and not quite Polygon rendered. The Aura rotates in color already if you haven't noticed. It was the same way in Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2. (Remakes and originals. Like I need to point that out though.)