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The Truth About Dust Hill Zone

#1 User is offline Tweaker 

  Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:45 PM

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Hey guys, story time!

So, as you'll notice in ICEknight's earlier thread, some debate was sparked about the name of the Desert level in Sonic 2. ICEknight sincerely believed that Dust Hill Zone was an old name for Mystic Cave Zone, citing various magazines and concept art as evidence. As a result, we have taken this on as fact, preaching it for years upon years.

Wetflame, however, consistently told us to stop and look at the big picture—Dust Hill, as a name, fits the Desert Zone's motif perfectly! And indeed, it does; but the facts didn't add up. Why would a proto exist with Mystic Cave coming before the Desert Zone? Why would the level select never be updated to account for this? Why were there so many magazines that only referred to "Dust Hill" as an older name for Mystic Cave? These things led us to believe that people like Wetflame were full of it, didn't know what they were talking about, and were cast aside.

When Wetflame went on his latest rant about the Dust Hill debacle, I was tired of it. I decided to go to a fellow scener, Sik, about getting in contact with Hirokazu Yasuhara, the one person who would definitely be able to settle this once and for all. We were able to do this by talking to another fellow Sonic developer, Chris Senn, who has had close contact with Yasuhara even in recent years. After some talks, both Yasuhara and Senn agreed to answer our questions to settle the age-old debate: Was Dust Hill the name for the Desert Level, or was it an old name for Mystic Cave Zone?

Here are the results:

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Us: What significance did the name "Dust Hill" have in regards to Sonic 2's development? Was it the original name for Mystic Cave Zone? Or was it supposed to be a conceptual name for the scrapped Desert Level?

Yasuhara: "Dust Hill" was one of dropped levels from original plan of Sonic2. Sega of America did want to sell the game at Christmas time of that year, I had no choice, but decided to cut some levels out from original plan. So if Sega allowed me to use enough time to pursue the plan, The Dust Hill zone would be in the game.


Completely unexpected! However, this didn't fully answer the question, so we decided to send a follow-up:

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Us: What kind of level was Dust Hill Zone? Did it represent any of the following images? If not, can you give any details about what it was supposed to be like?

[links to images of Desert and Mystic Cave]

Also, feel free to give out any other information you might want to share.

Yasuhara: Ok, the DustHill zone is like below.

http://sonicology.fateback.com/beta/sonic2...cept-desert.jpg
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=lQ4kc9sY88Y


Final conclusion?

Dust Hill Zone is the Desert Level.

And there you have it! Pretty much everything we've ever said about Dust Hill, ever since 2005 when ICEknight posted all his ramblings about magazine clippings, were completely false. All the people at Area 51, ever since 1998 or whatever, have been completely correct in calling the Desert level Dust Hill (albeit for the wrong reasons).

Big thanks to Wetflame for pushing for this to happen. This gives us serious grounds to question everything that we've ever claimed as fact based on magazine clippings, and not direct testimonies from game developers. What else could we be wrong about? Who knows?

Discuss!

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:48 PM

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I kinda knew that. What with Sonic 2 and 3's way of adding things they missed. Hidden Palace, Hyper Sonic, and whatnot. I'm glad it's confirmed though. :D

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This clears a lot up....except why was mystic cave named dust hill? Was Mystic Cave the replaced zone for dust hill?

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:50 PM

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Finally, Common Sense Prevails! Good god almighty, its like a miracle!

Now step aside and give Wetflame your admin powers. Don't make me quote the IRC :colbert:

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Finally, confirmation!

Thank you both for your excellent detective work. Now, all we have to do now is get people stop believing all the current information and go back to the 2001 theories :P

So then, the level select editors were just lazy bastards, as supported by Aquatic Ruin still being called Neo Green Hill even after the title cards were added. Thus, there is a proto out there like beta 4 or earlier without the title cards.

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:52 PM

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I think I remember Brenda ross saying Dust Hill was finished, then she started work on another level. That means there could have been a proto out there with the level intact. The simon wai proto comes some time after that level was removed, but mystic cave was put in its place in the level select screen.

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Finally. Glad to see this has FINALLY been addressed once and for all.

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Only one image could possibly describe my feelings on the matter.

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Are we sure the Dust Hill mockup was fully a mockup after all?

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View PostKing, on Sep 13 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

Are we sure the Dust Hill mockup was fully a mockup after all?


Yes. She stated it was, and it clearly is as it fits the pattern of the other mockups. But, the art was clearly real. For all we know it was a static screenshot of the level, and then with all the sprites for Sonic and the badniks added later.

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And another unexpected twist in the Dust Hill debacle.. how interesting..

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Yay, I was right all along.

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View PostIrixion, on Sep 13 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

This clears a lot up....except why was mystic cave named dust hill? Was Mystic Cave the replaced zone for dust hill?

Most likely just placed it in its level slot.

Can't say I'm surprised at this revelation. Good to have some finality on it, though. :colbert:

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