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ITT We attempt to explain Knuckles' plot in Sonic 3/Sonic 2

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  1. Glisp

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    None at the moment I'm afraid.
    Actually with Debug and level select activated, if you go to Sky Santuary act 2 as Sonic or Tails, Robotnik will appear instead of Eggrobo and Mecha Sonic will kill him! I laughed the first time I saw this because he just explodes!
     
  2. Knuckles is tripping Mushroom Hill's shrooms and imagining that he was the hero that eventually brought down the Death Egg at the end of Sonic 2 (a story Sonic must have told him at some point). This is due to a psychological need for community and respect, as well as a life away from the lonely island he's come to know as his home. It's also an attempt to help him get over how much damage he almost did to the Master Emerald with his gullibility.

    When Knuckles imagines S3&K, he imagines that the Death Egg was indeed destroyed at the end of Sonic 2, proving his might over the hedgehog. He then begins to imagine defending his homeland from invaders to make up for how much trouble he allowed during Sonic's arc. He can't place Eggman as the bad guy here, though, as the memories are too much to have such a trickster on Angel Island again. Instead, a dehumanized Eggrobo takes the center stage. (Since the Flying Battery isn't on the island and thus wouldn't bring bad memories, Eggman appears there.) Knuckles' mind skips over that painful Hidden Palace scene to go straight to Sky Sanctuary. His ending reflects how he wishes to be friends with Sonic - again, growing up without anyone else has made Knuckles desperately lonely.

    The bomb cutscene at the beginning of S&K actually happened - it's what knocked Knuckles unconscious after Sonic's portion of S3 so that he would hallucinate all of this.
     
  3. Yash

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    Also, Sonic 3 has two separate storylines. Sonic's is first, Knuckles follows right after (as suggested by Sonic/Tails' "good ending," the lack of Death Egg in Launch Base, etc.). Chaotix follows sometime afterward. Knuckles in Sonic 2 has no story, it's just a bonus for buying the lock-on cart.
     
  4. nineko

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    Why does this actually make sense? o.o
    I still hate theories but holy shit, this is realistic.
     
  5. Overbound

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    The real question is how do Sonic 3 alone then Sonic & Knuckles alone fit with S3&K. There are some issues there mainly with emeralds as I recall. Oh and Newman is defiantly EggRobo.
     
  6. Chaos Knux

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    The alones are non-canon. *takes trophy*
     
  7. HighFrictionZone

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    The way a lot of people describe Mecha Sonic destroying Eggrobo in Knuckles's Sky Sanctuary sounds as though none of them think it an accident. It is entirely obvious that Mecha Sonic and Eggrobo were trying to 1-2 combo Knuckles ("You hold him while I unleash the hurt"), but Knuckles breaks free at the last second and Mecha ends up destroying Eggrobo. I think this was a nice touch, as it neatly tied up the potential plot hole that was Eggrobo in a manner that seems plausible. Primarily, throughout the game, Knuckles unloads hit after hit upon Eggrobo without destroying it - there would be no plausible way for Knuckles to suddenly be able to destroy it NOW. We can, however, be lead to believe that Mecha Sonic has the raw power required to make such a destruction reality. Hence, he has to accidentially destroy the eggrobo.

    I just thought that a nice little detail.
     
  8. n00neimp0rtant

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    I had always thought that when Knuckles steals the Chaos Emeralds at the beginning of Sonic's story, Knuckles ran off and went Super Knuckles, not realizing the power of the Emeralds. He doesn't know how to handle it, loses control, and, as they always do, the Chaos Emeralds scatter around the earth again, which is why Sonic can collect one of them 3 minutes afterwards. Of course, that was pure speculation I came up with when I got my copy of S&K Collection for PC back in the day before emulators.

    I never beat Knuckles' story (this thread was a pretty big spoiler for me =[ ) so I'm actually gonna go ahead and do that now. My 7-year-old brother always puts in the damn debug mode code and goes Hyper Sonic, so he has no idea what the story is about, either.
     
  9. Sonic Warrior TJ

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    I'm seriously itching to play through Knuckles's story. I've got at least four different platforms to play it on, and about four and a half hours until work, so it's not like anything's stopping me.

    I think it's kind of cool how Mecha Sonic beats Eggrobo before Knuckles has the final say. It's like a reminder that Sonic just beat Eggman, and that history tends to repeat itself (though history repeats itself quite frequently in Sonic games, whether blatantly or vaguely).
     
  10. Frozen Nitrogen

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    That's pretty much what I thought about it. Knuckles smacks the CEs out of Sonic in Angel Island Zone, then runs off to take them back to Robotnik, but then the Emeralds do what they apparently do every game after someone goes super: fold themselves into the Special Zone. So Sonic and Tails have to go retrieve them all again.
     
  11. TheGreen1

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    Ehh, I feel that Egg Robo is separate from Robotnik.


    HOWEVER, and I'm sure this has already been addressed, but one will see, in Flying Battery Zone, that you fight both Egg Robo AND Robotnik, who hangs around on that bar swinging around and trying to give you a hotfoot. Actually, I think it was a glitch that they still had Robotnik on there, oh well.

    By the way, I have bad memories of Super Metal Sonic in Knuckle's version of Sky Sanctuary zone.
     
  12. Frozen Nitrogen

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    I'm sure I read in an interview with some member of the S3&K team that the Knuckles' Flying Battery Robotnik was supposed to be Eggrobo, but they didn't have the sort of sideways-y sprite for the robot and couldn't be bothered to make one. So Knux got stuck with Dr. R.
     
  13. TheGreen1

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    Eh, glitch or Laziness whatever.

    Same crap different name.

    Same thing with Sonic CD American Release. They didn't finish everything, and left the japanese music as the past music. Perfect example of Laziness right there.
    (Could have been time constraints too, but I don't care. Should have given them a bit more time then eh?)
     
  14. What are the canonical ramifications of the game Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog 2? Where instead of Sonic, Knuckles has flown down from the Floating Island to stop the wily Dr. Robotnik from conquering the planet with his mighty Death Egg.

    Discuss.
     
  15. Greg the Cat

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    It's non canonical.

    The story never happened. It's just there.
     
  16. Andlabs

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    No, it was a gimmick made just to make the Lock-On Technology not seem worthless, so they could make it a selling point. Had it not been for palette issues (apparently they didn't want any of the strange colors seen in the Knuckles-in-Sonic-1 hacks), Sonic 1 would've had the same treatment.
     
  17. Jayextee

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    I see it more of an analog to the Elseworlds comics myself.
     
  18. Greg the Cat

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    Yeah, I see. Something of an alternate dimension/universe/multiverse/whateverthehellyouwanttocallit where Knuckles was the hero instead.
     
  19. Herm the Germ

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    Alternate reality were Sonic never was? :v:
     
  20. Greg the Cat

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    Quite possibly. Hahaha.
     
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