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Yet Another Fucking Hoax? Quickman makes drama again!

#31 User is offline Toasty 

Posted 09 November 2006 - 07:27 PM

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Well...I think, that this is not a hoax. I do not know drx personally, and only occasionally see him post and talk on IRC. I don't know if anyone has brought this up before besides ICEknight, but the demos say something. (Again, I'm sorry if anyone else has mentioned this, I haven't read the other thread entirely yet.)

Watch Wai's beta's demos. Sonic acts crazy in Hill Top Zone. Then, watch the demos in drx's beta. They're pretty much the same, and Sonic isn't acting crazy in drx's. He jumps on the teter totters in drx's perfectly, and makes the same motion in Wai's beta. I doubt he'd go to all the trouble and edit the levels EXACTLY like the demos when you leave your game unattended. Not to mention, having to make the levels like some of the screenshots in the magazines.

I can't really say much in his defense since I haven't looked at the code for either games, but I do believe him. (Plus, he seems like a really loyal person to this community with lots of friends, and I don't think anyone would purposely steal from their friends.)

Edit: Heh, the thing that says "YOU ONLY HAVE SO MANY POSTS LEFT" in red is gone for the trial member thing. =P
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Posted 09 November 2006 - 07:29 PM

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The other possibility is that drx was hoaxed, and has just lost $1500 to a hoaxer.

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View PostQjimbo, on Nov 9 2006, 07:29 PM, said:

The other possibility is that drx was hoaxed, and has just lost $1500 to a hoaxer.

Anything is possible, but is it really plausible? Remember that we had this discussion in early 05, and Simon was quick to stress that. :P

Plus, the guy was simply a collector, nothing more. He wouldn't have even had the cart in his possession if it was fake - he would've hoarded the shit out of it.

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Random thing occured to me - what if we all worked in USPS, UPS and FedEx? We could intercept packages sent to/recieved by collectors, and dump the shit inside.

HAW.

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View PostTweaker, on Nov 10 2006, 12:33 AM, said:

Plus, the guy was simply a collector, nothing more. He wouldn't have even had the cart in his possession if it was fake - he would've hoarded the shit out of it.


Well of course a hoaxer would've claimed to be a collector...

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View PostQjimbo, on Nov 9 2006, 07:36 PM, said:

View PostTweaker, on Nov 10 2006, 12:33 AM, said:

Plus, the guy was simply a collector, nothing more. He wouldn't have even had the cart in his possession if it was fake - he would've hoarded the shit out of it.


Well of course a hoaxer would've claimed to be a collector...

Doesn't TheRedEye know who this guy is, though? I'm pretty sure he confirmed him to be a legit collector, and a hoarder in general to boot.

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View PostTweaker, on Nov 9 2006, 05:23 PM, said:

View PostMore Cowbell, on Nov 9 2006, 06:18 PM, said:

View PostCinossu, on Nov 9 2006, 01:31 PM, said:

		Sonic 1		drx Proto	wai Proto	Sonic 2

Slot 02:
		LZ 1		empty		WZ 1		WZ 1 (leftover)
		LZ 2		empty		WZ 2		WZ 2 (leftover)


So... does that mean WS is accessible in a similar way to HPZ (via Game Genie) in Sonic 2? Is it restorable in the same way as HPZ?

Yes, and it has been many, many times. =P

Any level is restorable, really.


Well, I knew it had been restored many times. :P
I meant more like, most of the zone (ex:layout) remains but the graphics are gone and replaced with garbage. Because I've read plenty about accessing HPZ through a Genie, but have seen absolutely nothing pertaining to doing the same with Wood Zone. So my question is, what the heck does it do if you load it? What level's graphics is it attempting to load? Etc...

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View PostMore Cowbell, on Nov 10 2006, 12:45 AM, said:

Well, I knew it had been restored many times. :P
I meant more like, most of the zone (ex:layout) remains but the graphics are gone and replaced with garbage. Because I've read plenty about accessing HPZ through a Genie, but have seen absolutely nothing pertaining to doing the same with Wood Zone. So my question is, what the heck does it do if you load it? What level's graphics is it attempting to load? Etc...


It loads Emerald Hill's level layout and graphics with buggy collision mappings, Wood Zone's palette, no objects or rings, and Metropolis's music.

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There are two things that prove to me this isn't a hoax, and they're both previously unknown, but perfectly logical pieces of information I've found in the beta.

1) HPZ3. This is not Labyrinth act 3, this is something else entirely. If you hit left at the start, you can get down into the normal level, and watch as the water level rises and falls to preset levels depending on where you are. That little forest of platforms way out of the way makes a lot more sense if the water line rises up there.

2) Hill Top act 2 has a section where it is impossible to fall to your death, since the level actually will loop you from the bottom to the top. Ala, what Jan (I think? I could be misattributing this)) initially suspected about the lift in HPZ, that you were supposed to be sent from the top of the screen to the bottom. Again, for HPZ's case, how could they have pulled this off without a dynamic water level -- oh.

So... yes. I think it's legit. Also, happy fun bonus round:

3) The Tails 1-up confirms that HPZ was made in earliest state of development. This isn't particularly impressive on its own, but in light of 1 and 2, both of which make sense in hindsight but are way too wacky for any hoaxer to come up with ... I'd say any additional evidence like this almost seals the deal.


(I'll do some pictures of HPZ3 and HTZ2 as soon as I have operational webspace again. Alternatively, someone else can do it. ;P)
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This hoax shit is making me sick. Again, anyone even thinking this is a hoax is really low. Hey, I have a theory! Wai's beta could be a hoax too! I mean, how do those level select names just so happen to be eerily simiar to magazine scans? That's fucking impossible! And c'mon...Dust Hill Zone, actually being Mystic Cave? Coincidence? I think not!

Hell...wa—wait a minute! The Sonic 3D Beta drx gave us has to be a fake too! I mean the game is just WAAAAY too similar to the final game. No level name changes, not too many art changes, and were there any enemy changes? What's that you say? The "E3 DEMO" title screen? That's bullshit! Anyone can hack some art! All of these prototypes are fucking hoaxes!! drx's, Wai's, and also drx's S3D Beta! How do we know if those "cart scans" are legit? Fuck, anyone can scan any old mockup cart label or EEPROM board! It all makes sense now! I officially conclude that these "prototype" release are nothing but bullshit mockups from very generous community members.




[/sarcasm, for those who haven't picked it up by now]

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View PostTweeterMan, on Nov 10 2006, 05:43 PM, said:

This hoax shit is making me sick. Again, anyone even thinking this is a hoax is really low. Hey, I have a theory! Wai's beta could be a hoax too! I mean, how do those level select names just so happen to be eerily simiar to magazine scans? That's fucking impossible! And c'mon...Dust Hill Zone, actually being Mystic Cave? Coincidence? I think not!

Hell...wa—wait a minute! The Sonic 3D Beta drx gave us has to be a fake too! I mean the game is just WAAAAY too similar to the final game. No level name changes, not too many art changes, and were there any enemy changes? What's that you say? The "E3 DEMO" title screen? That's bullshit! Anyone can hack some art! All of these prototypes are fucking hoaxes!! drx's, Wai's, and also drx's S3D Beta! How do we know if those "cart scans" are legit? Fuck, anyone can scan any old mockup cart label or EEPROM board! It all makes sense now! I officially conclude that these "prototype" release are nothing but bullshit mockups from very generous community members.




[/sarcasm, for those who haven't picked it up by now]



WHERE DO WE STAND ON THE MATTER?
We're undecided - we'd like it to be real, but we feel it's scientifically expedient to question everything even if it turns out to be false worry. Better safe than sorry.


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View PostVangar, on Nov 10 2006, 01:33 AM, said:

WHERE DO WE STAND ON THE MATTER?
We're undecided - we'd like it to be real, but we feel it's scientifically expedient to question everything even if it turns out to be false worry. Better safe than sorry.

Vangar, I can read that perfectly without my glasses on, I think you like... invented a readable font for an 11 inch monitor running 1028 x 960.

Anyway... I honestly think it's more likely to be real, BUT it's all completely passable to hoax up, but seeing as DRX has better things to do and there's stuff that's seemingly been taken out of S2bwai in it I do think it's legit, namely the odd HPZ badniks, I haven't looked into the ROM my self yet, been busy since I had to format a couple days ago, windows freaked up on me.

<insert 50 page OS flame war here and lock by Tweaker>

<skip the above and save us some time please>

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hey guys - chill out (both sides) and just enjoy the game (like I do), whether it's a hoax or not *shot*

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Omg. This is not a hoax. Just look how much things are different then the other games! Do you think it would be so easy to mix thee diferent games (s1, s2b & s2)?
I know that I'am just a trial member (yet), but I would bet that this is NOT a hoax, just look inside the rom, if it would be a hoax, there would be not so much unused things! AND why would drx charange money for this?

This is not a hoax!

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 10:25 AM

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Reasons why I don't think this is fake:

1 It follows the Nick Arcade Video completely e.g. layout of Emerald Hill + Starlight Music

2 It proves more what we thought about the 1st BETA that was discovered that its based heavily on Sonic 1.

3 I think this would be far too much hard work for someone to hoax.

DJ

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