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Sega Pico/Beena Thread.

#16 User is offline JaxTH 

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So is PicoDrive still the only Pico emulator out there?

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Do Beena games work on that? I was under the impression Beena was a more powerful system, so should depart somewhat from the MD HW....

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What's the copyright on the Pokemon games?

Do Pico games have serial numbers? (tying into the T series code discussion)

Do we have media scans, not just dumps?

(all of the above here, but for Beena)

Do we have a list of Beena games? I know less of Beena than Pico.
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http://en.wikipedia....nced_Pico_Beena

It's a start I guess. Incidentally, that page is much better than ours. =P

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View PostOverlord, on 17 April 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....nced_Pico_Beena

It's a start I guess. Incidentally, that page is much better than ours. =P

That list is probably copied straight from the official Beena website.

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View PostJaxTH, on 17 April 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

So is PicoDrive still the only Pico emulator out there?


Yes, last I checked.

View PostOverlord, on 17 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Do Beena games work on that? I was under the impression Beena was a more powerful system, so should depart somewhat from the MD HW....


As far as I've seen and heard Pico and Beena are not compatible in terms of hardware specs, but don't quote me on that.

View PostAndlabs, on 17 April 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

What's the copyright on the Pokemon games?

Do Pico games have serial numbers? (tying into the T series code discussion)

Do we have media scans, not just dumps?

(all of the above here, but for Beena)

Do we have a list of Beena games? I know less of Beena than Pico.


I got dates and serials noted at least in a good chunk in my big Sega Retro list of JP Pico release although it is not complete;
http://segaretro.org...gion_Pico_games

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256 Pocket Monsters Advance Generation Minna De Pico Pokemon Waiwai Battle! (ポケットモンスター アドバンスジェネレーション みんなでピコ ポケモンわいわいバトル!) HPC-6143 SEGA TOYS Action 2004.07.13 5,980 Play 3


The Pico dumps come with storybook picture scans as par per course with the dumps but IIRC we don't have any coverart or manual scans.

I don't think anyone in the whole of Sonic/Sega Retro has a Beena to my knowledge. There are two for sale on ebay;

http://www.ebay.com/...=item20c4977faa

http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a1c45ed7c

And one game, a Pretty Cure one.

http://www.ebay.com/...=item2a1c45f3dd

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2004? eh, I guess it's not particularly totally interesting as a Nintendo game on a Sega system unless you really wanted to underscore the console wars... this Sega Titan Video game from 1999, on the other hand (though it's arcade so it works both ways, argh)

anyway:

T-300010 KUMON PUBLISHING (two with the same code?)
we have T-300 WARP

T-227010 NAYUTA
we have T-227 Vantan International/Electric Dreams

T-226110 SHOGAKUKAN
we have nothing for T-226; T-105 Shogakukan Production

T-193030 SEGA YONEZAWA
we have nothing for T-193 but what is Sega Yonezawa
T-193010 DIAPET/SEGA YONEZAWA
and what is Diapet

T-181010 OBUNSHA
we have nothing for T-181

T-170020 GE
just to make sure, you mean General Entertainment, right?

T-169100 GAKKEN
we have nothing for T-169

this is where having the boxes will be nice

EDIT ugh it's the original list that uses the romanized names
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View PostJaxTH, on 17 April 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

So is PicoDrive still the only Pico emulator out there?
Fusion... (A/C switch pages, B is the big button, mouse to use the pen, I think Start switched between both screens)

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Well, I can't figure out how to do any sort of touch tablet control in Fusion, and it doesn't appear to load up the .png pages on the various dumps.

The sound is more accurate, though. hrm.

Andlabs: All that info is more or less pulled off the JP list without much more of my own input other than what games have US equivalents.

I'll append some of my own thoughts:
The "Shogakukan" one is probably right because of all the Doraemon games it's tied to.

I'll assume you're right about GE. It matches up, anyhow.

I tried looking up an article on Yonezawa and got this; considering the Diapet connection this is likely what's being referred to.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Yonezawa_Toys

Based on the dates of the releases, I'm assuming Sega Toys released some earlier titles under the Yonezawa name before they relaunched the Pico for the "Kids Communication" line under their own name.
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View PostKiddo Cabbusses, on 17 April 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Well, I can't figure out how to do any sort of touch tablet control in Fusion,
First of all, make sure to capture the mouse (I think it was F12, I don't remember the shortcut right now). You may also need to set the first controller as Mega Mouse, but I'm not sure if this is really required (probably not, since it's a completely different device).

View PostKiddo Cabbusses, on 17 April 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

and it doesn't appear to load up the .png pages on the various dumps.
Fusion won't show the book pages, only the screen =/

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Although neither of these attempts to break into the toy industry proved particularly successful, Sega Enterprises was far from down for the count. Buoyed by the massive success of their arcade and home video game systems (particularly that of the Mega Drive, known as the "Genesis" in the United States), Sega Enterprises purchased famed Japanese toy-maker Yonezawa in May of 1994, re-christening it Sega-Yonezawa and breathing new life into the company's attempts to make toys.

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In 1998, Sega-Yonezawa officially changed its name to Sega Toys, the name under which it operates today as a wholly independent subsidiary of its parent company, Sega-Sammy Holdings..


http://forums.sonicr...showtopic=28494
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Bizarrely enough, when Sega Toys continued the Pico under the "Kids Communication" line they continued the HPC first-party game codes rather than using the code they used under the Sega Yonezawa name -or- starting the codes fresh with a new set.
This makes the relationship between Sega and Sega Toys appear highly confusing, from my perspective.
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Sega Toys also had a unique T-series number for their Dreamcast games. I'm still a bit confused as to who handled the Pico — I thought it was all Sega Toys, but apparently not?

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Basically, from what I can tell, Sega Toys started handling Picos in terms of hardware selling and game making/publishing in a large scale around 1999 or so. The "Kids Communication" line n particular is their brand.
Before then, the standard models were handled by Sega.
Complicating this further, Imagineers' "Hirameki Mirai Kids" and Yamaha's "MIXT BOOK PLAYER COPERA" were handled by hardware licensors.

http://segaretro.org/Sega_Pico_Models

Dang, when did pictures break in there? Hrm...

Anyhow, the most complicated thing about the Pico seems to be trying to figure out what Sega and Sega Toys' business relationship is, since they seem to flip-flop being acting separately and acting as one when it's convenient.
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No PAL pictures? I'd take some of mine if it wasn't in a bloody hard to reach place...

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