[Black Squirrel]

I'm trying to document as many third party Sega controllers as possible on Sega Retro. It's a challenge, not just because there are tons, but because nobody likes to talk about them on the internet. This is despite the fact that in a lot of cases, the third party alternative beats the official product.

I've a preliminary list of control pads I've found on my travels across the net
http://segaretro.org/User:Black_Squirrel/Control_Pads
it's obviously unfinished

there are more here which I've prepared for but haven't copied info from yet
http://www.smstributes.co.uk/allcontrollerhardware.asp

some beasts I've already covered. Most haven't been. However, I'm guessing that a lot of you will own third party controllers and can shed some light on the situation. e.g. what separates them from the official versions, the pros/cons, the manufacturers, names, release dates, regions etc. Better photos and box scans would be nice too.

There are also several problems regarding older controllers, specifically those for the Sega Master System. It's a well known fact that a lot of controllers are interchangable with other computers (and consoles) of the day, which could mean there's acually a lot more Master System-compatible joysticks than expected. I've spotted arcade sticks which have half a dozen leads for different consoles so things are very confusing.

[MathUser]

I always wondered how the turbo touch played cause I used to get sore thumbs on games.

[Ritz]

Good lord. Joysticks are phallic enough as it is without H.R. Giger's sordid influence.

Can't believe you missed this legendary cock 'n balls Saturn disaster:


EDIT: While surely a shit alternative to the real thing, I'm really digging the button layout on that SunSaturn Pad. Kind of wish one of the later consoles adopted it.

This post has been edited by Ritz: 29 January 2011 - 05:48 PM

[Dr. Kylstein]

There are also several problems regarding older controllers, specifically those for the Sega Master System. It's a well known fact that a lot of controllers are interchangable with other computers (and consoles) of the day, which could mean there's acually a lot more Master System-compatible joysticks than expected. I've spotted arcade sticks which have half a dozen leads for different consoles so things are very confusing.

Here's some information on different two button DE9 pinouts that might be helpful. There are some others on that wiki that aren't included on that page.

[0r4ng3]

I'm going through an unsorted Dreamcast folder at this moment, so I have a few images that might help. I'm guilty of not keeping most of the 3rd party controllers I've come across, but there are a few that managed to survive.

There are three ASCII controllers, grey, blue and black. They all have the same model no. ASC-1301P. I don't think there's any difference between versions besides the recolours. It only has one add-on slot and has rumble built in on the back (the little switch you see at the top right enables or disables it). These are very good.

ASCII Pad FT
http://i53.tinypic.com/qpnzhw.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/kbr6h2.png (complete bundle)
http://i52.tinypic.com/33pdezn.jpg (vmu coupled)

ASCII Pad FT (CAPCOM Version) – black
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2vacx1s.jpg
http://oi51.tinypic.com/23kywif.jpg (box)
These guys made a feature about this one here:
http://the-dreamcast-junkyard.blogspot.com...controller.html

ASCII Pad FT (SNK Version) – blue
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2ms4npd.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2qu64gh.jpg

There is a very similar version, the FIGHTING PAD DC-212 and here's a better shot of the box. Are they a western release? They look the same and they have a built-in rumble as well. I don't know as I've never owned one, and even if I have a standard knowledge on the official stuff, I have even less for the 3rd party.

There are other colours of the Madcatz: purple and green. There are also other colours for the Performance: red (that is red, not orange, as can be seen here) and a green one.

The Nyko controller is called Dream > Master and here's a few more shots of it. There was one guy that opened it up. That last is called Quantum FighterPad. Here's a shot of the box.

[Ritz]

ASCII Pad FT (CAPCOM Version) – black

Drool.

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

I took these old pics of the Arcadian Joystick for Genesis a while ago;





These used to be in eBay by the droves. They're pretty sweet arcade sticks - Someone who has a better webcam should try taking pictures. <_>

[Maxd]

My parents threw it out a few years ago, but I once had a Sega Genesis controller that had a yellow control nub like the NES Advantage controller, along with turbo buttons with red switches. Can't find a pic of it atm though...

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

That description sounds like the Turbo Touch 360 with the empathis on yellow controls and red switches.

Is this what you were referring to? the touch-sensitive joypad was so shitty on that thing!

This post has been edited by Kiddo Cabbusses: 31 January 2011 - 09:16 PM

[Maxd]

Kiddo: that's it, and yes it was shit.

[Meat Miracle]

I used to have a transparent 6 button turbo pad, it had the shape of a 3 button pad, and the turbo switches were colored red/yellow/blue I think. In pairs maybe. It was a long time ago.

[Black Squirrel]

IDENTIFY
http://segaretro.org/File:Unknown_MDControlPad.jpg
http://segaretro.org/File:Unknown3.jpg
http://segaretro.org/File:Unknown_Pad_2_MD.JPG

There's also an extremely awkward joystick that keeps popping up - the Competition Pro 5000 series. Making sense of it is difficult and I'm not entirely sure if there's compatibility with Sega consoles, but if there is... there's a lot (and that's not all of them).

This post has been edited by Black Squirrel: 02 February 2011 - 02:17 PM

[LocalH]

There's also an extremely awkward joystick that keeps popping up - the Competition Pro 5000 series. Making sense of it is difficult and I'm not entirely sure if there's compatibility with Sega consoles, but if there is... there's a lot (and that's not all of them).

I don't know if there are any versions with full compatibility, but the Competition Pro series was primarily designed to be compatible with Atari 2600-style controllers. I don't know if there are any with two-button support, however.

[Tiberious]

I took these old pics of the Arcadian Joystick for Genesis a while ago;

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These used to be in eBay by the droves. They're pretty sweet arcade sticks - Someone who has a better webcam should try taking pictures. <_>

I can confirm those are good sticks. They're being sought now for modification into current-gen console use as they use actual Happ/iL parts.

If you still have it, could you open it up (I'm almost positive the back can be take off, which would be enough) and show some pictures of the inside? I'm sure I'd be able to identify the parts if you did this.

[0r4ng3]

IDENTIFY
http://segaretro.org/File:Unknown_MDControlPad.jpg

Recoton. Some guy made a compilation and lists it too (at one point he had the photograph as well, you can see it still in image search). This is what he says: It's the american version of the Dynapad from Dynacom. It has all the fuctions of the six-button controller, but it has a slow motion button. Whether this information is accurate I don't know.

http://segaretro.org/File:Unknown_Pad_2_MD.JPG

Performance - NTSC-U maybe.

There's also an extremely awkward joystick that keeps popping up - the Competition Pro 5000 series. Making sense of it is difficult and I'm not entirely sure if there's compatibility with Sega consoles, but if there is... there's a lot (and that's not all of them).

I don't think they are.

This post has been edited by 0r4ng3: 03 February 2011 - 05:09 AM