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Can't Touch This Battery Mash-Ups ftw

#226 User is offline Ch1pper 

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View PostJami393, on 20 October 2011 - 12:22 PM, said:

I don't know if I can share it seeing that I created this mash-up, but I did a Michael Jackson's Beat It with IceCap Zone Act 1.



Putting on my bluntcap: This has already been done numerous times. The timing between songs is decent, but please learn about proper tuning. Yuzoboy seems to be one of the few Sonic-related mashup makers on Youtube that doesn't appear tone-deaf. I'll stop there before I go on a rant.
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View PostCh1pper, on 22 October 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

View PostJami393, on 20 October 2011 - 12:22 PM, said:

I don't know if I can share it seeing that I created this mash-up, but I did a Michael Jackson's Beat It with IceCap Zone Act 1.



Putting on my bluntcap: This has already been done numerous times. The timing between songs is decent, but for fucks sake learn about proper tuning. Yuzoboy seems to be one of the few Sonic-related mashup makers on Youtube that isn't utterly tone-deaf. I'll stop there before I go on a rant.


I haven't seen a Beat It remix with IceCap before, that is why I did it. And what do you mean by proper tuning?
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View PostXCubed, on 22 October 2011 - 07:00 AM, said:

I know this was in another topic somewhere, but I can't find it. Anyway I think it also belongs here:





I don't understand how this works...but it does!


I......feel the same way. I have no idea how this worked...
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View PostJami393, on 22 October 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

View PostCh1pper, on 22 October 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

View PostJami393, on 20 October 2011 - 12:22 PM, said:

I don't know if I can share it seeing that I created this mash-up, but I did a Michael Jackson's Beat It with IceCap Zone Act 1.



Putting on my bluntcap: This has already been done numerous times. The timing between songs is decent, but for fucks sake learn about proper tuning. Yuzoboy seems to be one of the few Sonic-related mashup makers on Youtube that isn't utterly tone-deaf. I'll stop there before I go on a rant.


I haven't seen a Beat It remix with IceCap before, that is why I did it. And what do you mean by proper tuning?

He's referring to Ice Cap and Beat It being in different keys, and you not doing anything about that.

The two songs do not mesh unless they're in the same key.

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I mean, the keys aren't that incompatible, and some of the bits actually sound kinda cool, but yeah: it helps to be familiar with the most rudimentary elements of music such as key signatures.

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View PostCrappy Blue Luigi, on 22 October 2011 - 06:47 PM, said:

View PostJami393, on 22 October 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

View PostCh1pper, on 22 October 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

View PostJami393, on 20 October 2011 - 12:22 PM, said:

I don't know if I can share it seeing that I created this mash-up, but I did a Michael Jackson's Beat It with IceCap Zone Act 1.



Putting on my bluntcap: This has already been done numerous times. The timing between songs is decent, but for fucks sake learn about proper tuning. Yuzoboy seems to be one of the few Sonic-related mashup makers on Youtube that isn't utterly tone-deaf. I'll stop there before I go on a rant.


I haven't seen a Beat It remix with IceCap before, that is why I did it. And what do you mean by proper tuning?

He's referring to Ice Cap and Beat It being in different keys, and you not doing anything about that.

The two songs do not mesh unless they're in the same key.


What key does IceCap use?

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View PostJami393, on 22 October 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

I haven't seen a Beat It remix with IceCap before, that is why I did it.


Perhaps not Beat It specifically, but MJ's been done to death with Sonic; that's all.


View PostJami393, on 22 October 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

And what do you mean by proper tuning?


Perhaps 'proper pitch' is better. The pitch range of the vocals in Beat It is not in the same range as the notes in Ice Cap. One of them has to be adjusted/fine-tuned for the two to sound good together. Which hasn't been done in your mashup. Frankly this has always been a sore point for me - I'm rather stumped as to how someone doesn't notice when two melodies are out-of-pitch with one another.

Here's an example. Admittedly the chord structure doesn't work 100% and I'm generally more forgiving of jarring chord mixups - go figure. :v: But I had to adjust the pitch for one of them slightly (+/- 10% I believe) for the vocal track to sound good within EHZ. I got lucky in that these both happened to be in the same key, which is what made me think to try it out in the first place. But you can't take two songs in two different keys and expect them to work. I'm flabbergasted by how often people don't consider or notice this. Not just you Jami, but other folks on Youtube that do mashups too.


Aaaannd I might've spoken too soon on Yuzoboy... no offense man, but hearing those MJ/Sonic albums you did, at least half of the mashups suffer from also being in two separate keys with almost no regard for where they are. Most stuff is okay, and I can see where you're going with them, but... again, how do people not notice/account for this stuff?


I'm not trying to rag on you guys too hard; I actually want to know. :v:



Edit: Oh wow, late response is late! Not sure how I messed that up...


Oh god, dat Bustin'! It does indeed make me feel good.
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View PostJami393, on 22 October 2011 - 07:01 PM, said:

What key does IceCap use?
You can figure this out. I believe in you. Or in basic music theory. Whichever!

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View PostCh1pper, on 22 October 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:

View PostJami393, on 22 October 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

I haven't seen a Beat It remix with IceCap before, that is why I did it.


Perhaps not Beat It specifically, but MJ's been done to death with Sonic; that's all.


View PostJami393, on 22 October 2011 - 05:29 PM, said:

And what do you mean by proper tuning?


Perhaps 'proper pitch' is better. The pitch range of the vocals in Beat It is not in the same range as the notes in Ice Cap. One of them has to be adjusted/fine-tuned for the two to sound good together. Which hasn't been done in your mashup. Frankly this has always been a sore point for me - I'm rather stumped as to how someone doesn't notice when two melodies are out-of-pitch with one another.

Here's an example. Admittedly the chord structure doesn't work 100% and I'm generally more forgiving of jarring chord mixups - go figure. :v: But I had to adjust the pitch for one of them slightly (+/- 10% I believe) for the vocal track to sound good within EHZ. I got lucky in that these both happened to be in the same key, which is what made me think to try it out in the first place. But you can't take two songs in two different keys and expect them to work. I'm flabbergasted by how often people don't consider or notice this. Not just you Jami, but other folks on Youtube that do mashups too.


Aaaannd I might've spoken too soon on Yuzoboy... no offense man, but hearing those MJ/Sonic albums you did, at least half of the mashups suffer from also being in two separate keys with almost no regard for where they are. Most stuff is okay, and I can see where you're going with them, but... again, how do people not notice/account for this stuff?


I'm not trying to rag on you guys too hard; I actually want to know. :v:



Edit: Oh wow, late response is late! Not sure how I messed that up...


Oh god, dat Bustin'! It does indeed make me feel good.


I really understand where you are going and thinking about it now I have to do something to the pitch, but also I'm still new to doing mash-ups. So what do you think I should do with Beat It? Should I lower the pitch a little? Or should I make the pitch slightly higher?

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Well to be honest you should probably experiment and see for yourself, ya know to learn the differences. However, I will say that it sounds like the vocals need to be at a slightly lower pitch.
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I apologize if this was posted before, I don't want to sift through 16 someodd pages.

COARSE LANGUAGE AHEAD.



Astounding.



Furthermore.

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View PostCh1pper, on 22 October 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:


Here's an example. Admittedly the chord structure doesn't work 100% and I'm generally more forgiving of jarring chord mixups - go figure. :v: But I had to adjust the pitch for one of them slightly (+/- 10% I believe) for the vocal track to sound good within EHZ. I got lucky in that these both happened to be in the same key, which is what made me think to try it out in the first place. But you can't take two songs in two different keys and expect them to work. I'm flabbergasted by how often people don't consider or notice this. Not just you Jami, but other folks on Youtube that do mashups too.


Aaaannd I might've spoken too soon on Yuzoboy... no offense man, but hearing those MJ/Sonic albums you did, at least half of the mashups suffer from also being in two separate keys with almost no regard for where they are. Most stuff is okay, and I can see where you're going with them, but... again, how do people not notice/account for this stuff?

I'm not trying to rag on you guys too hard; I actually want to know. :v:


I agree with your views on the keys not matching but I believe different people hear and enjoy music in different ways. I got a lot of feedback from the original Sonic/MJ mixes I did where the pitches did not match. So upon altering the pitches to fit better, they were deemed less enjoyable than the original mixes, which was surprising. Maybe setting vocals too high gives off the chipmunk effect or setting music too low destroys its rhythm, both contribute to dissatisfaction. There must be a reasonable balance.

Another scenario is that when you hear a mashup with unaltered pitches for a long time on loop, you will think the pitches are fine as you relate to the original vocals and the original music. However to others, it could be the worse combo ever. So I tend to leave a whole load of them and come back the next day to give them a listen with "fresh ears". At this point I do notice what pitch changes need to be made and make them.

A common saying I hear is that "Are people tone deaf?". Its possible, but sometimes no matter how you try, you cant please everyone even with a properly pitched mix. Some of the requests I recieve are great and some don't work out so well but I still upload out of curiousity of the reaction it recieves.

But I do agree, pitch does need correction most of the time, and people including myself, must be attentive to this.
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View PostXCubed, on 17 October 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:

For #2 I meant "minor" as in more evil sounding, like a minor key (for all I know the song most likely is natively in a minor key and the megaman song sharpens its delivery because of the contrast between both songs).

:)

Sorry for taking long. How about now?

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View PostYuzoboy, on 23 October 2011 - 08:45 AM, said:

View PostCh1pper, on 22 October 2011 - 07:32 PM, said:


Here's an example. Admittedly the chord structure doesn't work 100% and I'm generally more forgiving of jarring chord mixups - go figure. :v: But I had to adjust the pitch for one of them slightly (+/- 10% I believe) for the vocal track to sound good within EHZ. I got lucky in that these both happened to be in the same key, which is what made me think to try it out in the first place. But you can't take two songs in two different keys and expect them to work. I'm flabbergasted by how often people don't consider or notice this. Not just you Jami, but other folks on Youtube that do mashups too.


Aaaannd I might've spoken too soon on Yuzoboy... no offense man, but hearing those MJ/Sonic albums you did, at least half of the mashups suffer from also being in two separate keys with almost no regard for where they are. Most stuff is okay, and I can see where you're going with them, but... again, how do people not notice/account for this stuff?

I'm not trying to rag on you guys too hard; I actually want to know. :v:


I agree with your views on the keys not matching but I believe different people hear and enjoy music in different ways. I got a lot of feedback from the original Sonic/MJ mixes I did where the pitches did not match. So upon altering the pitches to fit better, they were deemed less enjoyable than the original mixes, which was surprising. Maybe setting vocals too high gives off the chipmunk effect or setting music too low destroys its rhythm, both contribute to dissatisfaction. There must be a reasonable balance.

Another scenario is that when you hear a mashup with unaltered pitches for a long time on loop, you will think the pitches are fine as you relate to the original vocals and the original music. However to others, it could be the worse combo ever. So I tend to leave a whole load of them and come back the next day to give them a listen with "fresh ears". At this point I do notice what pitch changes need to be made and make them.

A common saying I hear is that "Are people tone deaf?". Its possible, but sometimes no matter how you try, you cant please everyone even with a properly pitched mix. Some of the requests I recieve are great and some don't work out so well but I still upload out of curiousity of the reaction it recieves.

But I do agree, pitch does need correction most of the time, and people including myself, must be attentive to this.


Ah, okay then. :) There's enough potential in those mixes that I can still enjoy them on some level. After your explanation, I can see it is partly just my interpretation, so apologies if I came off too blunt or offensive. Sounds like we're on similar wavelengths already. So, yeah, just keep doin' what you're doin'. Pay no attention to the man behind the monitors!

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