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#16 User is offline Stealth 

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View PostICEknight, on 19 July 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

I've been trying to remember where that music came from, to no avail... Can somebody please refresh my memory? :(/>/>



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Ah, ok thanks. :)

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View PostKingofHarts, on 19 July 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

Lest we forget, Megamix set the bar for what hacks today try to achieve. It WILL deliver. Stealth isn't a dummy...


Not really, the bar on MegaMix 4.0 has been crossed many times since, and many people I hear say nowadays its more overrated than anything. But perhaps that will change when/if next release is out of the box!

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View PostGreen Snake, on 22 July 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

View PostKingofHarts, on 19 July 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

Lest we forget, Megamix set the bar for what hacks today try to achieve. It WILL deliver. Stealth isn't a dummy...


Not really, the bar on MegaMix 4.0 has been crossed many times since, and many people I hear say nowadays its more overrated than anything. But perhaps that will change when/if next release is out of the box!


I unfortunately agree. I mean its a fun game, don't get me wrong, but I've had just as much fun, if not more, with other hacks and fan-games.

I also do mean this with NO disrespect, but why is there always a money thing involved? There are PLENTY of other great hacks and fan-games being made that ask for no money and deliver so much more. I would LOVE to get donations to make Sonic Classic 2, but I don't ask because I have a job that takes care of that. That job also keeps me from working on it as much as I'd like. Just a question I'd like to bring up.

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Did you read the patreon post? It's not just for Megamix, dude's got about five projects going and he's not going to get any of them done if he has to prioritize commercial work to stay alive. Megamix is particularly low priority right now since it isn't something he can sell later on. I'm sure he knew it was a long shot, but it was worth gauging just how bad people actually wanted this.

No skin off my back, he can just focus on our project instead and we'll make him the big bucks. It's a better game anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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View PostHez, on 22 July 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

I also do mean this with NO disrespect, but why is there always a money thing involved? There are PLENTY of other great hacks and fan-games being made that ask for no money and deliver so much more. I would LOVE to get donations to make Sonic Classic 2, but I don't ask because I have a job that takes care of that. That job also keeps me from working on it as much as I'd like. Just a question I'd like to bring up.


That's not his problem, honestly. If someone wants to ask for donations for whatever reason then they're well within their right to do so and they don't need to justify that course of action to anyone. If people don't want to pay then they won't pay, simple as that.

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View Postjman2050, on 22 July 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

View PostHez, on 22 July 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

I also do mean this with NO disrespect, but why is there always a money thing involved? There are PLENTY of other great hacks and fan-games being made that ask for no money and deliver so much more. I would LOVE to get donations to make Sonic Classic 2, but I don't ask because I have a job that takes care of that. That job also keeps me from working on it as much as I'd like. Just a question I'd like to bring up.


That's not his problem, honestly. If someone wants to ask for donations for whatever reason then they're well within their right to do so and they don't need to justify that course of action to anyone. If people don't want to pay then they won't pay, simple as that.

Well when people found out about Nitemare's (Sonic XG) patreon they were furious.

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View PostGreen Snake, on 22 July 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

and many people I hear say nowadays its more overrated than anything
This part, in particular, was a bit rude to add to my thread, given that I (or anybody else currently in Team Megamix) never said that it was the best thing ever, isn't it? :P

I don't think anybody will be all that impressed with "Sonic 1 Megamix" anymore if they're not trying to be. All the good stuff is in "Sonic Megamix", but I don't really even care who's done what; I'm just trying to make a game. People can like or dislike it however they want

View PostHez, on 22 July 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

I unfortunately agree. I mean its a fun game, don't get me wrong, but I've had just as much fun, if not more, with other hacks and fan-games.
See previous paragraph (immediate, not both) :P

View PostFelik, on 22 July 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

Well when people found out about Nitemare's (Sonic XG) patreon they were furious.
Not sure how that's my problem any more than what jman responded to... I don't recall leading people's hate on it (in fact, I didn't know it even existed) :P

View PostHez, on 22 July 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

I also do mean this with NO disrespect, but why is there always a money thing involved? There are PLENTY of other great hacks and fan-games being made that ask for no money and deliver so much more. I would LOVE to get donations to make Sonic Classic 2, but I don't ask because I have a job that takes care of that. That job also keeps me from working on it as much as I'd like. Just a question I'd like to bring up.
I actually only recall ever having brought this up once ("I can't do this all the time because it doesn't make me money", which is just plain true; stuff gets in the way), unless you count the time that I responded to an article about somebody running coin-op Megamix in an arcade by saying something like "If anybody deserves to make money off the game, it's the people who made it", with a definite inclusion of the "if" part

As for my Patreon, it's for all of my projects. Other people do stuff without starting a patreon campaign, sure, but I'm not those people so I'm not necessarily in their situation, whatever it is. I have a lot of stuff to do that's not really getting done, and there are other people besides me that want some of it done. If you were to read my Patreon page, you'd see that my primary project is HCGE, with some commercial games, and some other stuff I'd like to do as sort of disclosure on what else is going on so I can still do other fun things and maybe not get yelled at. Working other jobs, I never have the kind of time I need to be able to put the most into any of these projects, so they just get poked at and I have to consider what's less time-consuming and more immediately-beneficial to do (Ex: Do you recall Megamix/HCGE/etc making any progress during the time I was on contract for Sonic 1 and Sonic 2? You don't normally get to have notable side-work in that kind of profession; not to mention that I spent like over four months pissing off just trying to be totally available because I was anticipating the contract signing, which took forever)

All I'm doing is asking people who care that much if they want to help me get more things done. People can donate because they want to see HCGE go forward, they can donate because they like my fan stuff; I like doing and am going to do both, ultimately. Technically nobody has to pay anything; if I get enough people to sustain me, everybody who doesn't want to contribute can just sit back and wait for the good stuff to roll in at someone else's expense. If the Patreon isn't successful enough, though, everybody will just have to wait (maybe a lot) longer just because I have to survive. If I (and my team, for that matter) were unrestricted by other obligations, Megamix might be finished now. HCGE might be super-badass already, who knows what else. I just do have those obligations, and that's life. There are people who are getting impatient and people who are just disappointed; I'm giving them another option. Not twisting their arm or anything, but it's there. You decide not to contribute, you have that option, and if others pick up the slack, you won't even "suffer" for it because this is all about my availability. Sonic Megamix is free, Mega Man Triple Threat is free, HCGE is free if your game isn't commercial. For the work I'd be putting in even if I wasn't supported full-time by Patreon, I'd say that's pretty generous... In fact, the work I'm doing right now is more for goodwill than anything since even if my patrons had been charged already (which they haven't), I'd only have gotten $64, which isn't enough to justify spending all day every day on this stuff indefinitely; what's left of my reserve won't last forever

Regarding Sonic (1) Megamix, in specific, all of my current patrons are Sonic fans, and that's probably really only because that's where I really have any exposure to speak of. People have responded to word of my Patreon campaign by asking about Megamix, some adding that its guaranteed completion is the only condition under which they'd even consider contributing. This is why I've decided to lead off with work on Megamix; I'm giving the people who took the initiative and willingly volunteered tangible assets what they want. Not sure what's wrong with that... :/

#24 User is offline KingofHarts 

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tl;dr - What jman and Stealth said, regarding the Patreon; Oh, and G. Snake and Hez completely misunderstood my "set the bar" comment.

K... I don't really NEED to be the one to step in and say something on this Patreon deal... and it really doesn't have anything to do with me, but between the fact that I've gotten about 8 hours of sleep in 3 days, and the fact that I've heard disputing over it both on and off this forum board, it bothered me enough that I decided I needed to hop off the mobile and get on the work computer because this needed to be said, and this is addressed to ANYONE up in arms over Stealth's Patreon:

I'm not going to go too much into a rant over it because jman really hit the nail on the head... so I just want to reiterate that point. If you don't want to donate, you don't have to! Oh, and this...

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Well when people found out about Nitemare's (Sonic XG) patreon they were furious.

The idea that this has any relevance to justify whether or not Stealth should have a crowdfunding account is asinine. Honestly, let them be furious about that... Again, no one FORCES OR DEMANDS you to donate.

Now onto another note, as far as the dispute re: my "set the bar" statement... are you telling me that because of the fact that other GREAT hacks have surpassed that bar... that it invalidates the fact that Megamix did set the bar previously? Never once in my statement did I say "OMG, it's still the best thing ever". I'll wait, go back and read my post... you'll clearly see that I didn't. Actually, I'll save you the trouble:

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Lest we forget, Megamix set the bar for what hacks today try to achieve. It WILL deliver. Stealth isn't a dummy...

Clearly you missed the point I was making. My point was that at the time of the last official release, Megamix DID set the bar high... and YES... plenty of hacks DO surpass it, however it still does serve as a standard bearer as to what constitutes a great hack so yea I really don't see where you think I misspoke. Many MANY subpar hacks fail to meet Megamix's quality. Those that do... range from pretty damn good to great. Sounds like a standard to me.

Anyway, I was alluding to the fact that I simply believe Stealth and Co. WILL do just that AGAIN, with what's to come in the future. Ironically, Green Snake made that very last point in the same breath that he was also trying to dispute my very point...
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View PostGreen Snake, on 22 July 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

Not really, the bar on MegaMix 4.0 has been crossed many times since

I agree. But that was not what was said. He said it "set" the bar (past tense, which is true), not "is" the current bar.

In fact...

...Megamix has passed it's own bar since too, but of course, you wouldn't know that given Megamix has not had a proper release since. The thing is, the bar can only be set by released content, most other hacks have been released post, therefore, they have set a higher bar (that's logic, expected, and common sense really), Megamix "did" set the bar, and it will set a higher bar when it is released. In my opinion, it already surpasses the current bar set by other hacks in its private state even now, and a lot of hacks being released at the current time don't really live up to what we have in store already, nevermind what we'll have in the future. So sit back, be patient, and we'll deliver eventually. Of course, donations help reduce the time of "eventually" (which is what the recent discussion of this thread is pretty much all about...).

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View PostStealth, on 22 July 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostFelik, on 22 July 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

Well when people found out about Nitemare's (Sonic XG) patreon they were furious.
Not sure how that's my problem any more than what jman responded to... I don't recall leading people's hate on it (in fact, I didn't know it even existed) :P

Not sure why do you take my comment personally considering I wasn't even quoting your post. I was just bringing up a direct comparison, that's all.

View PostStealth, on 22 July 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

This part, in particular, was a bit rude to add to my thread, given that I (or anybody else currently in Team Megamix) never said that it was the best thing ever, isn't it? :P
Wasn't it Tweaker back in the old days hyping up Megamix? Maybe that's why people put "overrated" label onto it now?

Anyway I don't get where did all this "bar" talk came from. To me it sounds like people say "I'm disappointed because Megamix doesn't exceed my expectations".

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View PostStealth, on 22 July 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

This part, in particular, was a bit rude to add to my thread, given that I (or anybody else currently in Team Megamix) never said that it was the best thing ever, isn't it? :P

I never intended to be rude exactly nor blame it on you or your team, but rather poke at the people who overhype particular works done by particular people when its not necessarily warranted.

View PostKingofHarts, on 22 July 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Clearly you missed the point I was making. My point was that at the time of the last official release, Megamix DID set the bar high... and YES... plenty of hacks DO surpass it, however it still does serve as a standard bearer as to what constitutes a great hack so yea I really don't see where you think I misspoke. Many MANY subpar hacks fail to meet Megamix's quality. Those that do... range from pretty damn good to great. Sounds like a standard to me.

You sounded as if you were suggesting Megamix is more or less officially the "bar" people try and fail to reach even nowaday, but in case that was not what you meant, then I apologize for the confusion. However considering how you said your comment here, you seem to suggest that just any hack can be "the bar", as many hacks fail to meet the quality of hacks like Sonic Green Snake, LSD is bad or whatever, does that mean this now means they are also some part of "bar" or "standard" or something? Just curious considering how you worded your comment.

View PostMarkeyJester, on 22 July 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

Megamix has passed it's own bar since too, but of course, you wouldn't know that given Megamix has not had a proper release since. The thing is, the bar can only be set by released content, most other hacks have been released post, therefore, they have set a higher bar (that's logic, expected, and common sense really), Megamix "did" set the bar, and it will set a higher bar when it is released. In my opinion, it already surpasses the current bar set by other hacks in its private state even now, and a lot of hacks being released at the current time don't really live up to what we have in store already, nevermind what we'll have in the future.

Well, like any sensible person, I don't consider the leaked version as a release, but what it is; leaked, and I know by now it is probably 2 or 3 years old so a lot of progress could have been done while that, and in fact that is one of the reasons I say the bar of MegaMix has been surpassed, as I don't consider what has been done on the leaked version. And I am sure MegaMix would set the bar once again, but sooner or later something else comes along that is even better, though given that less and less people are interested in hacking, which would unfortunately mean that less and less people even attempt to go for such ambitious hacks, which of course is a shame, and I'd wish people would collaborate more on projects to make them better and more possible! But that is going fairly well off-topic so I better stop while I am ahead


And no, I don't want to start flamewars here exactly, so I hope I don't come off as if I was trying to

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Well, Megamix did set the bar, and thus it has been surpassed many times, there still are hacks that can't do it. In the next release, I'm pretty sure it will set a new bar that will be really hard to surpass in hacks, especially those that can run in real hardware.

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Whether Megamix "set the bar" or how other hacks measure up to it, depends on which metric you're using. Most polished? Most technically impressive? Most "Sonic-like"? Best characters? Best level design? Megamix will probably win the Hidden Palace Zone trophy if/when it gets entered in the Sonic Hacking Contest, but that doesn't mean it will win all the trophies (well, unless all the other entries suck, but that can happen any year). It also depends on who's looking at it. Some people might prefer hacks that do something radically different, and they might find Megamix boring, because it's "just another Sonic game".

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