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Hey guys, happy new 2019 for everyone 🙂

I was recently watching a discussion on the Brazilian Sonic group on Facebook, about the recent happenings to the sonic timeline and how some things changed due to the storytelling on the newer games here's what people ended up agreeing with:

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Note: Sonic 3K happening after Generations makes more sense since Mania's manual makes it look like it there was no event between 3K an Mania.

What do you guys think?
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As silly as I think a Sonic timeline is at times, I'd like to point out that Sonic 4 episode two was marketed as a sequel to CD implying that it happened after Sonic 4 episode one. It could just be marketing BS though.

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Can I ask what's the relevance of Advance & Advance 2? And yes, I think CD should also be included in the Modern Timeline.

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View PostLaughingcow, on 01 January 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

As silly as I think a Sonic timeline is at times, I'd like to point out that Sonic 4 episode two was marketed as a sequel to CD implying that it happened after Sonic 4 episode one. It could just be marketing BS though.


There's a gray screen on Episode metal (that happens just at the same time as Sonic 4 EP 1) that states 'a long time has passed' between Metal Sonic being defeated and ressurected in Stardust Speedway to be used in EP 2. I call it just marketing BS, it's more like an indirect sequel than anything else.

View PostXRick, on 01 January 2019 - 02:29 PM, said:

Can I ask what's the relevance of Advance & Advance 2? And yes, I think CD should also be included in the Modern Timeline.


Advance 2 introduced Cream to the series. Advance 1 had to be included as 2 was really important. 3 was apparently retconned as Sonic Heroes happened after Advance 2 and it's story was never referenced. I actually forgot to include CD on the modern timeline as I was making the chart. Thanks for pointing it out :). I've fixed the image.
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The timeline doesn't make a lot of sense. The Adventure and Advance game placements seem wonky, and if you're gonna put the Advance/Rush games in at all it's bizarre to exclude Advance 3 and therefore Battle, even with the minor inconsistencies with the latter. There's some inconsistencies between other games, too, but that's just how modern Sonic is. Also Shadow and the Rivals games should be in there. And if gonna put 06 in, Shadow needs to be there. And why is 06 between the Rush games?

Ultimately a definitive timeline is impossible to make, since there's not a lot of consistency in general and constant retconning. The story is fluid. There's one world until suddenly there's two. Characters are from another dimension until suddenly they're from the future.
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View PostHitlersaurus Christ, on 01 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

The timeline doesn't make a lot of sense. Why'd they leave Sonic CD out of the modern timeline? There's literally a flashback to it in Adventure. Also, the Adventure and Advance game placements are wonky, and if you're gonna put the Advance/Rush games in at all it's bizarre to exclude Advance and therefore Battle. There's some inconsistencies between Battle and some other games, but those are also present in other games too like 06. Also Shafoe and the Rivals games should be in there. If you're gonna put 06 in, Shadow needs to be there. And why is 06 between the Rush games?


Because theoretically 06 never happened, as Sonic apparently went to a festival and that's it. I was forced to include it as Blaze references Crisis City multiple times on other games (but that shouldn't have been possible).

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View PostMaster Emerald, on 01 January 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

View PostHitlersaurus Christ, on 01 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

The timeline doesn't make a lot of sense. Why'd they leave Sonic CD out of the modern timeline? There's literally a flashback to it in Adventure. Also, the Adventure and Advance game placements are wonky, and if you're gonna put the Advance/Rush games in at all it's bizarre to exclude Advance and therefore Battle. There's some inconsistencies between Battle and some other games, but those are also present in other games too like 06. Also Shafoe and the Rivals games should be in there. If you're gonna put 06 in, Shadow needs to be there. And why is 06 between the Rush games?


Because theoretically 06 never happened, as Sonic apparently went to a festival and that's it. I was forced to include it as Blaze references Crisis City multiple times on other games (but that shouldn't have been possible).

The placement directly between the Rush games just seemed kinda arbitrary to me, especially because in 06 Blaze and Sonic never even acknowledge each other.

I think Blaze only mentions Crisis City in Generations, so I guess if you want to stretch things you could consider the NPC dialogue as noncanon and it could work. Or just consider the main story of Generations as canon but not which specific stages are used. I think that whole situation shows my point of why a timeline can't work though, or at least why omitting some games like Battle seems odd. If Blaze can be from the future in 06 (even if the game erased itself, if it's on the timeline that would mean the pre-self-retcon events had to have happened beforehand) then Battle could happen after Heroes and/or Shadow.

Btw if we add the Rivals games, they'd have to be after the Rush games (where Eggman and Nega work together) and before Colors (where Silver makes a cameo appearance in the DS version).
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Don't we have a thing against "fan theories" - because you don't get more theoretical than a "timeline" in Sonic games

Gee I wonder where Sonic Pocket Adventure fits in - modern design, classic levels? Oh my!

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View PostBlack Squirrel, on 01 January 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

Don't we have a thing against "fan theories" - because you don't get more theoretical than a "timeline" in Sonic games

Gee I wonder where Sonic Pocket Adventure fits in - modern design, classic levels? Oh my!


That's why people didn't try fitting the GG games or arcade games. Some manuals make references to other games themselves, which is what we were trying to make a chart of. Fitting every game in a timeline is basically impossible. I ended up editing the image to be more specific about that, as even thoguh Sonic CD, Sonic 4 and 06 are a bit tricky to be placed it doesn't really matter much.
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View PostHitlersaurus Christ, on 01 January 2019 - 03:05 PM, said:

Btw if we add the Rivals games, they'd have to be after the Rush games (where Eggman and Nega work together) and before Colors (where Silver makes a cameo appearance in the DS version).

Definitely agree with this. Even though Eggman's had no problem teaming up with enemies before, it would be a bit daft for him to work with (Rush) Nega shortly after (Rivals) Nega tried to kill him. (Not even going into the 'are Rush/Rivals Nega even the same dude' territory today :v: )

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View PostMaster Emerald, on 01 January 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

View PostBlack Squirrel, on 01 January 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

Don't we have a thing against "fan theories" - because you don't get more theoretical than a "timeline" in Sonic games

Gee I wonder where Sonic Pocket Adventure fits in - modern design, classic levels? Oh my!


That's why people didn't try fitting the GG games or arcade games. Some manuals make references to other games themselves, which is what we were trying to make a chart of. Fitting every game in a timeline is basically impossible. I ended up editing the image to be more specific about that, as even thoguh Sonic CD, Sonic 4 and 06 are a bit tricky to be placed it doesn't really matter much.

If you're making a chart of which games are directly referenced by manuals (or even each other) your timeline should be way smaller than in the OP.

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View PostHitlersaurus Christ, on 01 January 2019 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostMaster Emerald, on 01 January 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

View PostBlack Squirrel, on 01 January 2019 - 03:47 PM, said:

Don't we have a thing against "fan theories" - because you don't get more theoretical than a "timeline" in Sonic games

Gee I wonder where Sonic Pocket Adventure fits in - modern design, classic levels? Oh my!


That's why people didn't try fitting the GG games or arcade games. Some manuals make references to other games themselves, which is what we were trying to make a chart of. Fitting every game in a timeline is basically impossible. I ended up editing the image to be more specific about that, as even thoguh Sonic CD, Sonic 4 and 06 are a bit tricky to be placed it doesn't really matter much.

If you're making a chart of which games are directly referenced by manuals (or even each other) your timeline should be way smaller than in the OP.


Sonic 1, CD, 2, 3&K were referenced by Mania

Sonic 4 stays, as it has episode metal that kinds of bridges the gap between Sonic CD and it's storyline.

Adventure and Adventure 2 were referenced by Generations

Advance was referenced by Advance 2

Advance 2 stays, as it was the introduction of Cream to the series which appeared in numerous games after it

Heroes and '06 were referenced by Generations

Rush was referenced by Colors DS and Generations 3DS

Rush Adventure was referenced by Colors DS (they even talk about Marine!)

Unleashed and Colors were also referenced by Generations

Lost World was referenced by Forces
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Can Fighters be an alternative classic timeline version of Sonic 4? The plot is kind of the same in a way just told out differently. It would also establish bean, bark, and fang in said universe.

Also SegaSonic arcade would have to exist in the classic universe to account for Mighty and Ray.

Chaotix should also exist for similar reasons.
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@Master Emerald, as far as I know the handheld games tend to make up a timeline of it's own, parallel to the main console games.
This franchise has that quite bothersome element, the fact that you have many games that could connect to each other, but still have loose knots hard to tie.

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View PostXRick, on 01 January 2019 - 07:04 PM, said:

@Master Emerald, as far as I know the handheld games tend to make up a timeline of it's own, parallel to the main console games.
This franchise has that quite bothersome element, the fact that you have many games that could connect to each other, but still have loose knots hard to tie.


The problem is that Colors DS was referenced in Lost World (console) and Forces as its exclusive wisps are now common (Void and Burst).

And starting with Mania and Sonic Forces, the timeline from handheld/console was unified.

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Can Fighters be an alternative classic timeline version of Sonic 4? The plot is kind of the same in a way just told out differently. It would also establish bean, bark, and fang in said universe.

Also SegaSonic arcade would have to exist in the classic universe to account for Mighty and Ray.

Chaotix should also exist for similar reasons.


Those 3 games could be placed, yes, but their storyline doesn't make any sense. And yes, you know what I mean. Chaotix and Sonic the Fighters Specially. It almost seems like an alternate dimension or something. Placing Sonic CD on a timeline is alredy painful due to the timestones0. But, admitting Sonic deafeated enemies through boxing just before taking Eggman's Death Egg 2 is just too much to handle :/

I would actually like to know where would you place SegaSonic as Ray and Mighty went unreferenced for a long time.
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