Okay, I'm back from doing my thing, and have some unaddressed remarks to, well... address, I suppose.
Greg the Cat, on 03 March 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:
There's been this thing I've noticed about you specifically frequently (for a year's time approx.) and a few others here. At any opportunity, if the negativity is getting so astounding (as you say), you will take the chances you get to defend the developer and try to induce some sappy "they're trying really hard" vibe and get us sympathetic with them. You seem to forget that they're a company and that they're selling a product. I don't know what the hell it is about Sonic's loyalest fans, but they act as if every game is a gift and that we should be a hell of a lot more humbled and thankful that the franchise is still going. And this is disregarding even if said defender knows that Sonic had over a decade of abysmal to average at best games (and really, that especial kind of attitude irks me).
It especially doesn't make too much sense for you to try defend a game that's going to have levels that are even more linear than the first episode's. Absolutely everything that you can see that we've gotten from the convention indicates levels that push you in mostly one general direction.
Firstly, thank you for at least taking the time to reply to my post. Whilst I understand what you're trying to say, many of the things you've mentioned don't really apply to me or in general for one or more reasons. Important things you've said I've
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1) It's not that the negativity is so astounding, it's that the negativity is largely unfounded. We've seen very little of the game, and from what we have seen, it seems to be miles above Episode I, which in itself wasn't a terrible game. If I'd seen something really crappy and seen you lot bash the hell out of it, well, hell, I'd even join in. Go nuts!
2) Linearity means absolutely nothing. Sonic Advance 2 was one of the finer 2D Sonic games I've played, and Sonic 1 wasn't exactly the multiple paths fest a lot of you like to make out. Again, as it stands, we've still not seen very much of what Ep II has to offer, so for us to make such 'complete' observations at this point is unnecessary as well as bias.
3) There should be no such thing as loyalty in gaming. Perhaps if you have a franchise or developer which spews out fantastic games year after year with the odd miss you'd get away it with, but Sonic hasn't always had that luck. If a game is shit, it's shit. If a game is awesome, it's awesome. However, there's got to be an inbetween- most of you don't have an inbetween, those of you who just go to one extreme or the other, or jump on a bandwagon, like this friend here;
steveswede, on 03 March 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:
Can you stop this please why do you keep defending games that are mediocre at best. A game sequel based on an old successful formula should be better than past games why can't you understand that the originals are not on this impossible high that can never be reached again. Never going to be a Megadrive game again do I need to remind you of the amazing work Taxman has done by remaking Sonic CD from scratch that even surpasses the original Mega CD version. I really hope that the originals get done in the retro engine just so I can silence all this nonsense talk that some Sonic loyalists seem to think that faithful classic gameplay is impossible to recreate. DIMPS need to be sacked there is far better talent out there that can do the job that classic fans really want so stop defending DIMPS as if we should be greatful for their shoddy work.
Stevesewede didn't even bother to read my post, and actually had an precontructed response. Actually, they seemed to have a few precontructed responses which got muddled up during typing, because one minute they said that I defended Sonic 4 to high heaven, then in the very next line actually said that I'd been blindly defending the original games and that I was positively biased towards them. At no stage had I ever said the originals couldn't be beaten, nor did I say Sonic 4 was the best thing since sliced bread. I also didn't, or haven't said that Sonic 4 Ep II is definitely going to be fucking awesome. We've seen too little to tell.
Whilst I'm on about this particular quote though, one thing pisses me off to high hell, specifically, this little line;
"Never going to be a Megadrive game again do I need to remind you of the amazing work Taxman has done by remaking Sonic CD from scratch that even surpasses the original Mega CD version."
Admittedly, Taxman has done amazing work, but it doesn't take a idiot to figure out that creating a brand new game already far in to production before SEGA applied the Retro Engine is a bit different to having someone using an already refined existing engine to port over a game which has already had all the art assets and music completed for about 18 years. Taxman didn't recreate "faithful classic gameplay", it was already fucking there. To make it better, he, or the team in charge added Tails- really cool, but hardly earth shattering recreational work. If you'd have mentioned that demo of Nexus, I'd have agreed, but you didn't.
As an additional point- you can blame DIMPS all you want, but they brought us the Advance games, high rated 2D Sonic games which have been the closest games to the originals since Sonic 3 & K. You have no understanding or knowledge of how they work internally, so I'd quit whilst you're ahead. Note that I'm only giving you facts. Sonic Advance is a great game. Fact.
dsrb, on 03 March 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:
So, one shouldn't point out what should be inexcusably lazy and half-assed ways of doing things because 'it could be worse'?
No, of course not, but by now we should all have realistic expectations, and no matter how hard one wishes, SEGA using an exact Megadrive soundfont isn't going to happen. Yes, they can aquire one easily, but no, they're not, because they're not going for a faithful and exact Megadrive-copy game, they're going for a neo-classic game with a hint of classic design. It being called Sonic 4 was just the key in the lock to all of us on the Sonic scene who stupidly thought that SEGA would pull a MegaMan and give us a sprited game with replica physics. As it stands, Sonic 4 wasn't let down by this. It was let down by the stupid inertia and slightly slow (or floaty) Sonic and stupid unnecessary stuff like level skipping or, for some of you, annoying Bubbles enemies. For the rest of the world who are normal, it was a successful and good Sonic game.
So yeah.
TL;DR? Steve, read next time.
This post has been edited by SpeedStarTMQ: 04 March 2012 - 05:27 PM
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