[steveswede]

SpeedStarTMQ, on 03 March 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Seriously, what are you on about? When did mention anything that you just said?

OK you want me to show you.

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I Can't believe that some of you are already adamant EpII isn't going to be an 'exciting super-game'.

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You might play this and realise it's the best game since Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

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I think Sonic 4 was a real effort.

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It's never going to be a MegaDrive game, and it's never going to sound or look or even physically feel exactly like the originals

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it is called Sonic 4, like it or not, so somewhere along the line we're going to have to realise that and stop trying to make it a MegaDrive game as much as possible.

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some reason though people still feel like it has to emulate the originals and cling on to that jope even though it won't happen

And lets not forget the dozens of post you have done in the past saying almost exactly the same thing.

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though I actually think they can't, because they're 2 decades old, still impressive and have aged incredibly well and are the reason we're all here. I'm not saying Sonic 4 Episode Anything is ever going to come close to the originals, because this game started on a low and is still trying to get to where it wants to be.

Jeez you're doing it again can you stop it or do I need to bring up that video again giving their opinion on the flaws of Sonic 4.

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However, over-analysing them and making it out that everything it does is negative because it's not how 'you' imagined it isn't the way to go. I didn't imagine it this way either. In fact, I had a very specific image of what Sonic 4 would have been when they announced it- but I was wrong. Therefore, I don't bang on about it.

[dsrb]

Namo, on 03 March 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

But I was basically wondering if (most of) you guys actually will be displeased with any numbered "Sonic the Hedgehog" game that isn't like the classics 1-for-1.

Yes, I understand it's called Sonic the Hedgehog 4 and is a sequel to Sonic 3, which is a classic game. And I'm not saying that it's unrealistic to expect Classic physics. But, really, is classic physics really important as long as the game is fun? I think I pretty much know the answer most of you will give on that one. EDIT: Or maybe I don't know the answer you guys will give because you've all surprised me before.

Whew! I'm glad you checked yourself and added that last bit.

Also, lol Steve

This post has been edited by dsrb: 03 March 2012 - 02:06 PM

[Ayu Tsukimiya]

Sparks, on 03 March 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

SpeedStarTMQ, on 03 March 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

It's never going to be a MegaDrive game, and it's never going to sound or look or even physically feel exactly like the originals

In theory, it could.

I get madder and madder every time I see that picture. WHY WON'T YOU LEAK THIS TAXMAN

[jasonchrist]

Ayu Tsukimiya, on 03 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Sparks, on 03 March 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

SpeedStarTMQ, on 03 March 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

It's never going to be a MegaDrive game, and it's never going to sound or look or even physically feel exactly like the originals

In theory, it could.

I get madder and madder every time I see that picture. WHY WON'T YOU LEAK THIS TAXMAN

This make me VERY fucking angry! That would've been the very first truly new classic zone experience in 17 years... and they fucking take it away. THIS is what we wanted, 100% Classic game with new zones... what the fuck are we supposed to play now? Sonic 4? *sniggers*

[Metal Man88]

See, the issue is that while it won't be just like the originals, we don't know if it is fun yet. There have been fun games savaged by the fanbase before, and many more like it in the future. But this game's still a mystery until we get our hands on it.

However, there are small things we can piece together from the videos, like that its soundfont is not the same as Episode 4's and those obnoxious chains of badniks are back and as dumb as ever.

[jasonchrist]

Namo, on 03 March 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

So if a hypothetical Sonic The Hedgehog 5 was the best Sonic game to come out since Generations, but it wasn't like the classics, you guys would still dislike it?

Stupid question really. Sonic 4 Episode 2 already IS the best Sonic game to come out since Generations... because nothing else has actually come out since Generations. Doesn't stop it looking like absolute shit does it?

[TheInvisibleSun]

Metal Man88, on 03 March 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

However, there are small things we can piece together from the videos, like that its soundfont is not the same as Episode 4's and those obnoxious chains of badniks are back and as dumb as ever.

The Badnik Chains are more frustrating here though, because they fit even than they did in E1. In this game so far, it looks like they are shoehorned in, almost as if they have once-per-stage quota.

"Hmm the stage looks good so far, but we gotta add that Homing Attack chain to make sure the Player still knows how to use it. Oh, and add a bottomless pit under it, so the player HAS to use the homing attack to progress. We really want to show that move off as something essential and important."

This is what it seems like is happening amongst the dev team. What I would like to see, are some of the fun ways Colors used the HA on some stages, I.e. using it as an option to reach a higher path, or even secret hidden paths (unseen badniks that could be behind, or below your camera view, as initially hidden HA targets). Even the Metallic Indestructible flying badniks were cool iterations of the "HA chain as a means of movement or navigation" concept.

[MastaSys]

I have to desagree a bit on the badnik chains for the homming attack, if you watched the fotage you can see, that some of them (two situations as far I can remember) aren't required to take the path they follow.
There is a ramp to the same way or an moving plataform for example, this is good thing, someone than just want to run foward can take the ramp, others that like to smash the enemies can use the homing attack.

[Lobotomy]

Hey.

Hey guys.

You wanna know something?

Facts and opinions

ARE NOT THE SAME GOD DAMNED THING.

I swear, some of you are just Terri Schaivo-tier retarded. What is good in your opinion may very well not be good in someone else's. The inverse also applies. It's shit like this that keeps me from posting in Megathreads.

I like where this game is headed. I don't like speed boosters, but I'm confident that I, if not someone else will be able to get rid of them upon release. Sure, spin attack doesn't gain as much momentum as it should. That's probably fixable too. Other than that, it looks just fine. I see nothing wrong with the level design aside from speed boosters. Just like in the original Sonic 4 thread, the first Generations thread, and every single other thread from 2009 until now, you guys just bitch about the most menial, unimportant bullshit. Just shut the fuck up. You're giving me diabetes.

This post has been edited by Lobotomy: 03 March 2012 - 04:02 PM

[SpeedStarTMQ]

steveswede, on 03 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Words.

I can't begin to tell you how wrong you are and how you've entirely missed the point and taken everything I've said out of context,
but I'm on my iPod and away all weekend so I'll save me asking what the hell you're really on about when I'm back tomorrow.

Honestly.

[jasonchrist]

Lobotomy, on 03 March 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Hey.

Hey guys.

You wanna know something?

Facts and opinions

ARE NOT THE SAME GOD DAMNED THING.

I swear, some of you are just Terri Schaivo-tier retarded. What is good in your opinion may very well not be good in someone else's. The inverse also applies. It's shit like this that keeps me from posting in Megathreads.

I like where this game is headed. I don't like speed boosters, but I'm confident that I, if not someone else will be able to get rid of them upon release. Sure, spin attack doesn't gain as much momentum as it should. That's probably fixable too. Other than that, it looks just fine. I see nothing wrong with the level design aside from speed boosters. Just like in the original Sonic 4 thread, the first Generations thread, and every single one in between, you guys bitch about the most menial, unimportant bullshit. Just shut the fuck up. You're giving me diabetes.

Ahh, opinions and facts... that old fucking tiresome chestnut. Here's an interesting FACT about opinions and facts. Nobody, NOBODY ever fucking whines about opinions and facts when they agree with what's being said. I bet my penis and my home that you would never have made that post if everyone was raving about the game.

This post has been edited by jasonchrist: 03 March 2012 - 04:05 PM

[Lobotomy]

Unfortunately, there's no way to test that theory, but it's okay, because I don't want your penis. I'm taking an entirely neutral stance on this game. I'm probably not even going to try or buy it for a while. I'm pointing out the things I like, and the stuff I don't like and making my own views of the game based entirely on what I think about it. I don't give a shit about the opinions of others, I'm just sick and tired of the constant bitching and infighting.

Or to quote myself in #retro:

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<Lobotomy> I mean
<Lobotomy> in all honesty
<Lobotomy> I really
<Lobotomy> REALLY
<Lobotomy> don't give a shit about sonic 4
<Lobotomy> but all of this bitching is making Retro a shithole
<Lobotomy> we get at least one thread every year that people go completely batshit insane over
<Lobotomy> and I cry evertim
<Lobotomy> because it's not even real complaints
<Lobotomy> it's just minor nitpicking
<Lobotomy> fucking aspies

This post has been edited by Lobotomy: 03 March 2012 - 04:17 PM

[MastaSys]

Or in more nicier terms, this is a topic in General Sonic discussion, so we discuss, preety normal.
Unless we start insulting people directly over a simple videogame, I think beeing more...... passionate about it isn't going to be that of a problem.
Yes beeing an ass it bothers me sometimes, but that's the low point about beeing respectfull of other's opinions, it's for everybody.

This post has been edited by MastaSys: 03 March 2012 - 04:10 PM

[jasonchrist]

Lobotomy, on 03 March 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

Unfortunately, there's no way to test that theory, but it's okay, because I don't want your penis. I'm taking an entirely neutral stance on this game. I'm probably not even going to try or buy it for a while. I'm pointing out the things I like, and the stuff I don't like and making my own views of the game based entirely on what I think about it. I don't give a shit about the opinions of others, I'm just sick and tired of the constant bitching and infighting.

You'd probably like the house though, anyway peace!

[Hitlersaurus Christ]

I really wish there were two Sonic 4 Episode 2 threads: one for arguing, and one for actual news, speculation, etc. I'm getting pretty tired of checking the thread just to see page upon page of "THIS GAME IS TERRIBLE AND ALSO I HATE YOU AND YOUR TASTE IS SHIT" or "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS GAME WILL BE FUCKING AWESOME AND ALSO FUCK YOU"