[Billy]

AerosolSP, on 09 February 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

No, he doesn't know his stuff.

What I meant was 'did his research.' I didn't see the hidden credits mentioned in this thread.

[Aerosol]

Retro is not the center of the Sonic universe. I know, sometimes that fact shocks me too! What I'm saying is that someone else could easily have said that, and if he were paying attention to this thread, specifically, then he missed a shitload of other stuff and he's an idiot.

In fact, he's still an idiot.

[Tylinos]

Maybe it's just my imagination, but didn't he already show that spot in an earlier video, with no sign there?

[Sparks]

Tylinos, on 09 February 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Maybe it's just my imagination, but didn't he already show that spot in an earlier video, with no sign there?

He did. Personally I think he'd get a lot more respect if he just revealed this to be a fan game recreation of Sonic 1s early Green Hill from the get-go. The level a pretty faithful rendition of the original scans too, so shame it's being used this way.

This post has been edited by Sparks: 09 February 2012 - 08:58 PM

[steveswede]

Just going to repeat what Steelbrush said because when I saw the tile screen I knew it nailed itself as fake. The picture from the Tokyo Game Show shows that the ring Sonic is in is in a different position to the one on in the video

[Hitaxas]

SteelBrush, on 09 February 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Fake. As soon as I saw the sign, I knew. I checked the real screenshot on the wiki and the font is different. I would post explanatory pics but I'm on my phone. Take a look for yourself.

He is right. The font for 'Welcome', while close, is not wide enough, leaving more space between the letters and the edges of the sign. Also the original does not appear to say 'Green Hill' on it, whatever it does say is not written in English. I'm now calling fake. There is no doubt about it. It is a pretty decently good fake however.

[Toasty]

I haven't added my input yet because I usually don't post when others have already said what I wanted to say, but the tree is too tall compared to this screenshot:



I like this fan game, although none of us have seen footage from GHZ when it was in its super early beta stage, so it's too hard to say the gameplay was actually like this. After seeing the second video I would love for this to be real but it's probably not.

[steveswede]

Hitaxas, on 09 February 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

SteelBrush, on 09 February 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Fake. As soon as I saw the sign, I knew. I checked the real screenshot on the wiki and the font is different. I would post explanatory pics but I'm on my phone. Take a look for yourself.

He is right. The font for 'Welcome', while close, is not wide enough, leaving more space between the letters and the edges of the sign. Also the original does not appear to say 'Green Hill' on it, whatever it does say is not written in English. I'm now calling fake. There is no doubt about it. It is a pretty decently good fake however.

LOL Steelbrush is a girl.

[saxman]

Sparks, on 09 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

Arique, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

BREAKING NEWS: WE GOT A NEW VIDEO.

At this rate, I can't even tell if this is real or not. I mean, it looks real, but the jumping makes it feel like that it's a MMF game.

He had me at the fade. It's fake. In the Genesis games, the colors don't fade so smoothly.

This is THE ultimate proof it's a fake. If anyone still believes it's real knowing this, then nothing will convince you.

[LocalH]

steveswede, on 09 February 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Just going to repeat what Steelbrush said because when I saw the tile screen I knew it nailed itself as fake. The picture from the Tokyo Game Show shows that the ring Sonic is in is in a different position to the one on in the video

That's a cropped screenshot from a mag, so that means nothing. Screenshots are regularly cropped oddly in magazines, even today (albeit much less so than in the old days). What's more telling to me is the way Sonic's eyebrows look (and more specifically, the size of his right pupil as compared to the retail game). Also, the stars on the left and right side of the banner don't touch the stylized SONIC logo in the legit proto, but they do in the retail game (and in this video). More specifically, the "SONIC" logo itself is not as wide in the early build (it looks to be about the same width as the inner yellow ring, and the words "THE HEDGEHOG" look to fit almost exactly between the S and C as spaced, while in the retail game "THE HEDGEHOG" looks to "only" be the combined width of the letters ONI). I don't believe this is an authentic prototype, although I'd be gobsmacked to be proven wrong (as would every other naysayer, I surmise). I do believe it might be an actual ROM, though, just not an authentic one.

Still, at least one positive thing came of this hoax - it got people thinking and looking and as a result we'll soon have two brand new and never seen (by us) before scans of this build of Sonic 1. To me, there are only two things that would make me happier:

1) Authenticated video of the prototype running and showing off new stuff
2) A dump of the cart itself, should it still exist anywhere

I doubt either will ever happen though. Hell, I believe it's more likely we'll get a dump of that late S1 prototype that's known to exist in private hands (with "RING" HUD and end-of-level-punching-Sonic sprites).

This post has been edited by LocalH: 09 February 2012 - 09:23 PM

[RACCAR]

Find the differences...

[steveswede]

RACCAR, on 09 February 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Find the differences...

Thankyou. Glad someone is on the ball.

[ookamikaze]

TheRedEye, on 08 February 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

Hi all, since the subject of magazines came up, I just wanted to clear something up from my own independent research: I own literally every U.S. video game magazine published in 1990, and can assure you that the only pictures of that initial tech demo were published in EGM. Yes that includes Sega Visions: remember that Sega Visions was pretty much Sega of America's corporate messaging brochure, they didn't do things like send photographers to shows to preview really early games.

There are three screenshots total, all of which you have, all of which I believe were photographed by EGM editor Ed Semrad at the Tokyo Toy Show on June 7, 1990 and published (sometimes more than once) in EGM issues 13 through 16. None of this will be new to you but here are scans I made myself:

http://www.1up.com/d...try?bId=9032772

As I even said in that blog post, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more screens in Japanese mags, and this Beep issue confirms my suspicion! Hope we see some actual scans soon.

If the three official screenshots of the "Sonic 1 Prototype 1990" that are in the EGM issues 13 through 16 were photographed by EGM editor Ed Semrad in the Tokyo Toy Show on 1990, it would be best to contact Ed Semrad and ask if he still has a better resolution of these screenshots to look better?

[LocalH]

RACCAR, on 09 February 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Find the differences...

*snip*

Good call on the blue part of the ring being visible directly below the banner, I didn't notice that (and I've been poring over that proto title ever since I noticed Sonic's tiny right pupil).

Slightly off topic, I think it's hilarious that the infamous "E" bug on the title screen goes that far back and was never noticed before S2's release. Unless it was intentional to leave off those three pixels?

This post has been edited by LocalH: 09 February 2012 - 09:34 PM

[Toasty]

ookamikaze, on 09 February 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

If the three official screenshots of the "Sonic 1 Prototype 1990" that are in the EGM issues 13 through 16 were photographed by EGM editor Ed Semrad in the Tokyo Toy Show on 1990, it would be best to contact Ed Semrad and ask if he still has a better resolution of these screenshots to look better?

Something makes me doubt he still has them after 22 years...