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[Master Emerald]

Hell yeah andrew75, you are right, but Sonic 4 EP2 is newer than Sonic Fan Remix, and it is already a completed product. Fan doesn't have any obligations or goals on finishing the games...

[Andrew75]

Hell ya I'm right !
I was right about Episode 1 when it was first shown off, and I'll be right about this.
Sonic is just Sega's cash cow..
Many of you guys follow sonic so blindly, that you can't even see a bad product even if it beats the fuck out of your faces!

For me, Generations was ruined by the shitty 2D play mechanics (They are not sonic, they are a poor attempt at sonic).
Generations just felt incomplete.
I mean, What the fuck ? take your time Sega and plan out the engine mechanics a little better.
after all its all in the planing, man ! If theres not a good ground plan in place, than your end result will be shit..

Sure they can make a complete product quickly with the massive teams that are at command.
but even with that, the product just lacks real heart. ( a rushed feeling product!)
vs. our slowly made fan games ( hell I been working on one since 2006 and I'm still at it !)

also Sonic 4 episode 1 ! what a piece of crap !
Way before episode 1 was even on the drawing board there have been better fan made engines that feel closer to how sonic should feel.
I don't expect much from episode 2 gameplay wise or graphically for that matter.
let me ask you guys,,,,If the fan made looking texture and model work is any indication of the quality of what this game will be like, than what else?


Edit: something else that comes to mind,, it looks like they are using the Generations DS engine or something for episode 2 .
thats another thing that bothers me about Sega, They keep using the same engines over and over again , but add small little patches here and there that do not address the main issues of the engine, just cover them up.
Generations to unleashed for example.. same engine with some minor tweaks here and there, if it were me id rip whole gameplay systems out of the engine and rebuild from scratch using an out of the box approach.


If it were me planing out the game engine, Id approach it from outside the box perspective when it comes to planning out the engine and how play mechanic should be set up.
Seems everything they are doing is just a bunch of traditional programing ideals and methods. they do not work for sonic !
and never will !


Not sure about episode 1 to 2 , but hell, if they get it right this time I'll be so so so very surprised.

This post has been edited by Andrew75: 17 February 2012 - 08:14 PM

[Azukara]

I'm just gonna pretend like I'm lowering my (non existent) incredibly high standards when I say that I think the visuals actually look really good, and that I'm only hoping Sega learned something from the fan feedback regarding gameplay.

If they did then well a joyous day will be had for most, including me; and if they didn't then well, they didn't and they're not gonna get my money unless I really am that bored/curious and have a spare buck. Don't really have much more to say than that.

This post has been edited by Azukara: 17 February 2012 - 08:17 PM

[Andrew75]

Azukara, on 17 February 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

I'm just gonna pretend like I'm lowering my incredibly high standards when I say that I think the visuals actually look really good, and that I'm only hoping Sega learned something from the fan feedback regarding gameplay.

If they did then well a joyous day will be had for most (including me); and if they didn't then well, they didn't and they're not gonna get my money unless I really am that bored/curious and have a spare buck. Don't really have much more to say than that.

Just wait till I make the big reveal for the project me and a few guys are working on, its gana blow some minds.
Graphically and gameplay wise.

Hell yes im full of myself, as I have good cause. Sega cant touch this shit .

This post has been edited by Andrew75: 17 February 2012 - 08:18 PM

[RGX]

May I ask what was wrong with the Generations 3DS classic physics? I honestly couldn't find any fault with them. It better be something major that's brought up, not the littlest shit such as he jumps 1 pixel higher/lower etc.

This post has been edited by RGX: 17 February 2012 - 08:22 PM

[Dark Sonic]

I have standards for games, admittedly they're a bit lower for sonic then other series but they're still there. I'll admit I've made stupid purchases perhaps because I'm blinded by the fact that it's lol sonic. But I really don't think there are many downloadable games for the 360 or ps3 that look better then this (I think, I could be wrong. Remember I said I don't think there are many, There definitely are some.)

At the end of the day I think ep 1 was ok, but probably not something I'd buy again. I think this game has really improved visual wise and I really think they've fixed their shit. I'll wait and see but this game so far seems to have fixed a lot. No, it won't be perfect, but if I had to wait for the "perfect" game, I'd have to wait 30 years for sonic fan remix and nothing else (not even talking about sonic here). I played through generations today, and while slightly flawwed, I still loved it. I don't see how if you legitimately like something you're an idiot

I think Segas figuring out their shit with sonic slowly but surely. May not be what you want but many others will enjoy it, and likely have some legit reason to.

This post has been edited by Dark Sonic: 17 February 2012 - 08:31 PM

[Andrew75]

Sega's taking there sweat time fixing sonic slowly each game, and promising a fixed engine each time. and not delivering 100% each time, I'm just tired of seeing this.
I want to see a difference happen, seriously ! thats why I'm bitching .
if fans can make better quality engines than sega, than there is something very messed up ...Even if the fan engines arnt 100% complete. Many do things better in some way or another.

[MrBadger]

RGX, on 17 February 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

May I ask what was wrong with the Generations 3DS classic physics? I honestly couldn't find any fault with them. It better be something major that's brought up, not the littlest shit such as he jumps 1 pixel higher/lower etc.

It felt like the rolling was nerfed when I played it. that's all I could find that was wrong with them

[Dark Sonic]

To be fair I don't think they've ever promised a "fixed" engine, except when they said how we're going to fix ep 1... Which they didn't. No Segas term of choice is reboot, but they haven't said that in a while

[Greg the Cat]

Dark Sonic, on 17 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

I don't see how if you legitimately like something you're an idiot

The phrase is "easily entertained". This term is applicable to many of the tube heads who won't give a damn about how bad a movie and its story is just as long as they see robots guys fighting and lots of explosions. This term is also applicable to the people who will buy the same game each time a new pack appears on their iPhone or the people who will ignore good, slaved over games for the usual shit. This is just my input in this scuffle. This could very well be applicable to some people here who will only be impressed with the fact that it's no longer a messy High School collage pasted together to try to look like a Sonic game but instead a boring, but at least cohesive attempt, to make Sonic Advance 4 look nicer.

[Andrew75]

Each sonic game of late , Sega always claimed they improved the gameplay mechanics since unleashed.
its just pure bull..

also I really don't like to see fan games ripped off by such a big corporation,
That grass they got going in one of the screens looks almost the same as fan remix grass.
I mean wow , how original is that Sega,,,, come on be original !
I initially liked sonic because of its originality when it came to visual level design ,
whats happened to that !?
I don't want play an official game to see someone Else's fan game art ripped off!
especially when it was executed more poorly than the original fan game's!

This post has been edited by Andrew75: 17 February 2012 - 08:41 PM

[RGX]

I like how the blame is at SEGA, when Dimps are the ones who developed these games. Only 2D Sonic game SEGA developed in the longest time was the classic sonic portions of the console versions of Generations.

[Andrew75]

Sega shouldn't even have released the crap pile thats known as sonic 4, even if it was developed by dimps, Sega's responsible for the release.. where my Sega seal of quality !
I think it should have been held back another year so that the engine could have been ripped out and redone from scratch,
Its got the sonic 4 logo pasted all over the damed thing !Its Just not deserving,
Maybe Sonic 4 should have gone the way of Sonic Xtreme....
that way it may have actually been a good game....Only in our imaginations at least.

This post has been edited by Andrew75: 17 February 2012 - 08:50 PM

[Azukara]

Dark Sonic, on 17 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

I have standards for games, admittedly they're a bit lower for sonic then other series but they're still there. I'll admit I've made stupid purchases perhaps because I'm blinded by the fact that it's lol sonic. But I really don't think there are many downloadable games for the 360 or ps3 that look better then this (I think, I could be wrong. Remember I said I don't think there are many, There definitely are some.)

At the end of the day I think ep 1 was ok, but probably not something I'd buy again. I think this game has really improved visual wise and I really think they've fixed their shit. I'll wait and see but this game so far seems to have fixed a lot. No, it won't be perfect, but if I had to wait for the "perfect" game, I'd have to wait 30 years for sonic fan remix and nothing else (not even talking about sonic here). I played through generations today, and while slightly flawwed, I still loved it. I don't see how if you legitimately like something you're an idiot

I think Segas figuring out their shit with sonic slowly but surely. May not be what you want but many others will enjoy it, and likely have some legit reason to.

This is exactly where I stand.

I can't say I don't have standards (I'm going for being a game designer so of course I do), but those standards are mostly dependent on "is it fun?" and "does it fit the context of the game?". That's about the pickiest I am and I don't necessarily care if it doesn't stand up pixel-perfect to another game's graphics or gameplay, even if that is a nice treat.

Greg the Cat, on 17 February 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 17 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

I don't see how if you legitimately like something you're an idiot

The phrase is "easily entertained". This term is applicable to many of the tube heads who won't give a damn about how bad a movie and its story is just as long as they see robots guys fighting and lots of explosions. This term is also applicable to the people who will buy the same game each time a new pack appears on their iPhone or the people who will ignore good, slaved over games for the usual shit. This is just my input in this scuffle. This could very well be applicable to some people here who will only be impressed with the fact that it's no longer a messy High School collage pasted together to try to look like a Sonic game but instead a boring, but at least cohesive attempt, to make Sonic Advance 4 look nicer.

And that's the part that gets me. It's not that we like stuff because it looks less like crap and I'm just accepting stuff due to "lower standards", but because we (or at least I) don't think it looks like crap at all. I personally don't see what is wrong with S4:E2 so far, in fact I can't even pinpoint on the dime what it is that's "wrong" with it. In fact, I think it's really nice looking, easy on the eyes, and even is a pretty interesting art style to go with for this game.

And if you think they could do better then cool beans, man! I just don't see the value in telling someone they're accepting garbage when they legitimately enjoy something, and there's nothing really wrong with it.

Spoiler

Granted, Rayman Origins is some good stuff and MW3 & Angry Birds aren't worth my change, but you know

This post has been edited by Azukara: 17 February 2012 - 09:07 PM