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Got a scanner and a S&K cartridge? Needed to trace Knuckles's letters in the S&K logo

#1 User is offline LOst 

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Do you have a cartridge that looks like this? (photo stolen from ebay)
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Note how there are thick black lines surrounding each letter in the Sonic & Knuckles logo! That's what I need! If you have that cartridge and a "good" scanner, please scan the logo with high DPI resolution (300 dpi is good). And try to keep it aspect, else I don't think it is worth it.

The problem with the Knuckles text in the US/EU logo is that it has red shading around the red letters making it impossible to find the edges of the letters without guessing them. I have tried the Collection PC boxart (the EU one), the EU boxart, the US boxart. The closer you zoom, the worse it gets.
But then I remembered that black lined logo! It's the only way really to find the edges of those letters.
BTW, I have the first version S&K cartridge that has no black lines, so mine is useless.

Thank you in advance!

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Couldn't you just download the Sonic title font?

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Go here if you just want a Sonic-letters font. If that's not what you want, maybe this would work?

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I have the cart, I have a scanner

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View PostSonic Warrior TJ, on Mar 9 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

Couldn't you just download the Sonic title font?

No, because I made it. Not only does it suck, but it was also guessed (the main thing I want to avoid).


View PostTmEE, on Mar 9 2009, 11:22 PM, said:

I have the cart, I have a scanner

Please help :)

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Yeah, it's not accurate. It's a very nice attempt though.

Hey LOst for all the new Sonic fonts they use Syntax Ultra Black. I think I have an opentype copy somewhere. Interested?

Also, I think the S&K logo is high res somewhere. I know I've seen it.

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My S&K cart is like that, but I don't have a scanner. =(

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My S&K cart has a slight mark on the &, but other than that it is in good condition. I'll try and see if I can scan it later tonight.

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View Postgrap3fruitman, on Mar 10 2009, 02:00 AM, said:

Yeah, it's not accurate. It's a very nice attempt though.

One of the first things I did for the Sonic community back in 2000. One of the biggest problems with that font is the spacing between each letter, and the fact that many letters were guessed.

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Hey LOst for all the new Sonic fonts they use Syntax Ultra Black. I think I have an opentype copy somewhere. Interested?

Already got all the versions of Syntax font (the news reached me from Sonic Cult. I was very happy to finally get that Japanese Sonic font's original name). The reason I need the US/EU font design is because Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles's title screens were made in the US, and based on those design.

We all know that the Syntax Black were used for the JP boxarts of Sonic 1 up to Sonic 3, so we can assume the title screen of Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 were also based of Syntax Black... But Sonic & Knuckles changed that with "Knuckles in Sonic 2" title screen.

I really believe the US/EU font were based of the title screen of Sonic 1.


But anyway, if Sonic 2 HD will ever have a Knuckles banner/logo for the title screen, I need to get the most accurate design. I was very picky with the tech demo's title screen SONIC letters which I traced myself (PicklePower did the rest).


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Also, I think the S&K logo is high res somewhere. I know I've seen it.

I thought the same. I remembered I had seen it in one of the Sonic & Knuckles Collection screen saver images, but it was just the Sonic & Knuckles emblem and the release date (You can actually see the "&" design in there that was used for the logo).
Even if I would find a high resolution or even original resource, I still have to face the red shading and I am not so sure I will see the edge of the letters.



View PostFrom Mar 10 2009, 02:54 AM:

My S&K cart has a slight mark on the &, but other than that it is in good condition. I'll try and see if I can scan it later tonight.

Thanks! The & sign is not that important. I don't think it was changed, just taken from the font used by that release date emblem I was talking about above (in this post)
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View PostLOst, on Mar 9 2009, 06:01 PM, said:

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Also, I think the S&K logo is high res somewhere. I know I've seen it.

I thought the same. I remembered I had seen it in one of the Sonic & Knuckles Collection screen saver images, but it was just the Sonic & Knuckles emblem and the release date (You can actually see the "&" design in there that was used for the logo).
Even if I would find a high resolution or even original resource, I still have to face the red shading and I am not so sure I will see the edge of the letters.

Ack, found what I was talking about and it was just a high res version of the emblem. Sorry. =(

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Pretty sure there is a modificiation of Syntax that Dioxaz made on Sonicology, modifying the letters to fit the Sonic style. And when I say pretty sure I mean I know there is and it's called SyntaxSonic.

No idea if it matches the art on the S&K cartridge, but knowing Dioxaz's attention to detail it wouldn't surprise me.

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I hope this is good enough (200dpi scan from a shitty HP combine...) :

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View PostGuess Who, on Mar 10 2009, 03:16 AM, said:

Pretty sure there is a modificiation of Syntax that Dioxaz made on Sonicology, modifying the letters to fit the Sonic style. And when I say pretty sure I mean I know there is and it's called SyntaxSonic.

No idea if it matches the art on the S&K cartridge, but knowing Dioxaz's attention to detail it wouldn't surprise me.

Sorry, it is inaccurate (for my standards) because Syntax Black doesn't use the same letter styles for "K", "U", and obviously "&". Then it is inaccurate (still for my standards) with Sonic Team's font because it is mixed of the US/EU designs. Only the "C" and "O" should have the inner spindash shape. Not the "G" and some other letters I haven't checked out. Sources: "Sonic Jam" "Sonic Cafe" "Sonic Team".

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View PostTmEE, on Mar 10 2009, 03:19 AM, said:

I hope this is good enough (200dpi scan from a shitty HP combine...) :

Thanks, but I don't see any black lines! I am lost without them. Can you see how the red shade around "KNUCKLES" is making it impossible to find the real edge of those letters?

Thank you TmEE for taking your time though, I appreciate that!


Yoshi 15, I am counting on you now! Try as high DPI as possible. Black lined logo is the only way.

EDIT: Chibisteven, lol. It is the right cartridge and logo though. If you have a scanner, it will work because I am sure it will be 99.999% aspect, but a photo :/
I can see you tried to hold it in position :P
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