[TheInvisibleSun]

Crasher, on 13 May 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

How does Sonic do the homing attack? He somehow THROWS himself through the AIR while he's in a BALL. And than he somehow homes onto robots, and why doesn't he kill the animals that come out of the robots. If he can destroy robots by curling into a ball, why doesn't he kill them by accident?

Since Adventure, I always assumed Sonic propelled himself forward by spinning mid-air a lot quicker than usual for a bit, and uncurling as a result of not hitting/targeting anything. Adventure also shows somewhat that the animals sort of do have some kind of protection from the affects of the badnik destruction (that green orb/shell around them).

GT Koopa, on 13 May 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

For that matter, moving left and right in the air when you jump is technically IMPOSSIBLE.

Perhaps this is possible because Sonic & co are actually flipping forward/backward. This is especially reinforced by the jump animations in SA2.

SpeedStarTMQ, on 13 May 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

From what I can tell, Super Sonic can have the emeralds knocked from his graps when Sonic is caught off guard. He can take the biggest hit to the face from an interdimensional being but he's never surprised like that by them. Knuckles is also very powerful, and Sonic would have been going at such a speed with his guard down.

Quoted For Truth. To reinforce this, take a look at the original Big Arms boss. This is the first boss to damage Super Sonic, via literally body slamming the rings out of Sonic directly. Being caught mid spin by robot hands would also certainly catch Sonic off-guard.

Sofox, on 13 May 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

FeliciaVal, on 13 May 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

And speaking about Angel Island...if it is a floating island in the sky, how is it possible that it has a beach? When you watch the S3 intro you can clearly see Sonic arriving at a beach, and considering the events of S3, the Master Emerald hasn't been stolen yet by Robotnik so the island should be floating when Sonic arrives...

Kinda been explained already how the impact of the Death Egg caused the Island to fall into the sea. After Sonic's story, the island is restored to the skies as seen in a cutscene. Then Knuckles' story takes place which, and the end of it, you can see the island still in the sky, just very wobbly. Doesn't quite explain why the edges of the island are sandy if they're not usually by the sea though...

Here, one could assume that Angel Island was not always airborne, and thus has always had sandy edges from when it was submerged long-term. The other option, is to assume that Sonic and Tails actually landed and entered Angel Island through a very large bay or lake.

Vaiyt, on 13 May 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

The Fralin Boy, on 13 May 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

Why doesn't anyone ever mention the alien invasion after Shadow the Hedgehog? Did everyone just forget aliens killing thousands of people and attempting to eat them?

Maybe because both Sonic Team and the characters themselves are trying to forget that god awful game ever existed?

Hilariously, I always thought of that as a "let's not ever talk about this" thing among the cast.

This post has been edited by TheInvisibleSun: 13 May 2012 - 10:21 PM

[Sik]

TheInvisibleSun, on 13 May 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Here, one could assume that Angel Island was not always airborne

Isn't this implied in Sonic Adventure, actually?

[Iceguy]

Mr Lange, on 12 May 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

None of the characters talked and it was because of hardware limits, not because they were written that way. Sonic talked a little in Sonic CD and had full lines in the OVA. Many things suggested all the characters could talk, so if they were judging based on the fact that there literally was no dialogue, then Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik should not have made a single fucking sound. Just one more reason I hate Sonic Team of today and their relentless torrents of stupidity.

Wasn't it two guys outside Sonic Team who wrote the dialogue, also for Sonic Colours?

HeartAttack, on 13 May 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

WHY, after over 20 years of killing him, is Robotnik STILL ALIVE??!?! (Kind of a joke question, but still lol)

Now these points of data make a beautiful line
And we're out of beta, we're releasing on time~

-ahem- ouo;

Sik, on 13 May 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

TheInvisibleSun, on 13 May 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Here, one could assume that Angel Island was not always airborne

Isn't this implied in Sonic Adventure, actually?

Yes, it's kind of part of the story. Angel Island was lifted up after Chaos was sealed in the Master Emerald, so those with bad intentions would have more difficulty reaching there. Well, since back them aircraft didn't exactly exist, to Tikal it seemed impossible.
The reason why there's an echidna pyramid in the Mystic Ruins jungle is that the Echidna tribe had a great army led by Pachacamac [sic?] and expanded their borders a heaps lot.

But the mystery of Hidden Palace (the one of Sonic 3) - why aren't the Emeralds stored there in Sonic Adventure - is still unsolved. I know that having Chao in the Hidden Palace sounds and would look strange, but still, what's the reason of moving it? They could've given the Hidden Palace a minor redesign, like bushes and other sorts of plants would grow through the walls, maybe have some sand and water and grass too. And little stone houses for the Chao.
With all due respect, and I don't want to look like someone with ego problems, but doesn't my idea sound better than the lame shrine in the middle of open space? =w=; It could work as a Chao garden design, at least...

[Yeow]

How everyone's A-OK that there are just a bunch of big, floating golden rings arranged in various patterns sitting around their town/city/villiage/etc.

[Iceguy]

Zinos, on 14 May 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

How everyone's A-OK that there are just a bunch of big, floating golden rings arranged in various patterns sitting around their town/city/villiage/etc.

Topic description said:

Apart from Sonic himself - and floating stuff - of course

Zinos, this is topic description. Topic description, this is Zinos.

[KingofHarts]

Sofox, on 13 May 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

FeliciaVal, on 13 May 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

And speaking about Angel Island...if it is a floating island in the sky, how is it possible that it has a beach? When you watch the S3 intro you can clearly see Sonic arriving at a beach, and considering the events of S3, the Master Emerald hasn't been stolen yet by Robotnik so the island should be floating when Sonic arrives...

Kinda been explained already how the impact of the Death Egg caused the Island to fall into the sea. After Sonic's story, the island is restored to the skies as seen in a cutscene. Then Knuckles' story takes place which, and the end of it, you can see the island still in the sky, just very wobbly. Doesn't quite explain why the edges of the island are sandy if they're not usually by the sea though...

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Here, one could assume that Angel Island was not always airborne, and thus has always had sandy edges from when it was submerged long-term. The other option, is to assume that Sonic and Tails actually landed and entered Angel Island through a very large bay or lake.

I thought this was explained already in canon, wasn't it? Angel Island, I thought... was originally part of a continent...
And, when Sonic and Tails arrived, it was taken out of the sky by the Death Egg.

Or I'm mistaken...

This post has been edited by KingofHarts: 14 May 2012 - 09:16 AM

[KingofHarts]

Oh, yea... things that don't make sense in the Sonic universe...
Sonic is supposed to be the fastest thing alive... well, I gotta say, if the classic games proved anything, Eggman is the fastest thing alive.
That fat bastard outruns him every time.

Also, the mere existence of Carnival Night Zone... discuss...

[SpeedStarTMQ]

Yeah, basically, long ago, Angel Island was part of a continent thousands of years ago. The Echidna tribe there and another Echinda tribe somewhere else fought a war for the Chaos Emeralds. Knuckles tripe lived in the area of the shrine that housed these emeralds and kept them safe. Pachemac, the elder echidna, wanted to use the emeralds one day to ensure total power of the continent and the tribe. They went to steal the emeralds, hurting/killing several Chao in the process, angering the Chao god Chaos. He used the emeralds in a fit of anger to transform and kill the tribe, and wreck havoc for a few minutes, bfore Tikal of Knuckle's clan, who was good freinds with the Chao, sealed Chaos away in the Master Emerald, thus restoring the Chaos Emeralds to their place. Knuckles is somehow the ancestor of one of these Echidna, likely Tikal, and it has been passed down to him through generations to protect the Master Emerald and the Chaos Emeralds.

After sealing Chaos, Angel island was lifted in the air by the gods to keep it safe from anyone who wished to use the power of the emerlads for their own deeds. The emeralds somehow scattered and got lost over time leading to Sonic finding some of them in Sonic 1, and all of them in Sonic 2.

As an interesting note, South Island & West Island from Sonic 1 & 2 seem to have close ties to the old tribes, as their Labyrinths and ruins are scattered throughout in places like Marble Zone (Marble Gardens) and so forth.

The clan that opposed Knuckles ancient tribe also disappeared, reappearing in Sonic Chronicles. They were responsible for the creation of the war machine Emerl and other ancient technology.

Hope you found that interesting

[TheInvisibleSun]

Zinos, on 14 May 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

How everyone's A-OK that there are just a bunch of big, floating golden rings arranged in various patterns sitting around their town/city/villiage/etc.

I always thought it was a natural phenomena that always existed in their world (people are thus used to it). This is made more possible by seeing that many of the economies in their world use rings as a currency. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic himself had a bank account somewhere (probably set up with Tails, which would explain how he pays for some of his tech supplies and such).

This post has been edited by TheInvisibleSun: 14 May 2012 - 11:26 AM

[Knucklez]

What doesn't make sense is how you have Sonic and all his anthropomorphic animal friends.. all of which are unproportional to each other based on they're realistic counterparts. And then you have all the regular realistic animals roaming their world alongside them.

[SpeedStarTMQ]

Probably in the same way that you have humans and monkeys who coexist That's how I've always viewed it.

[TheInvisibleSun]

SpeedStarTMQ, on 14 May 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

After sealing Chaos, Angel island was lifted in the air by the gods to keep it safe from anyone who wished to use the power of the emeralds for their own deeds. The emeralds somehow scattered and got lost over time leading to Sonic finding some of them in Sonic 1, and all of them in Sonic 2.

There are a few problems with this part:

1) "Lifted in the air by the gods". Not sure about this, but I don't recall other 'gods' being mentioned specifically anywhere. I could be wrong, but I had always thought that Tikal and Chaos used the power of the Master Emerald to lift the Island for that purpose. Unless, by "the gods" you are referring to Tikal and Chaos...

2) Pre S3&K, there were two sets of known Chaos Emeralds (three if you follow my theory that the Time Stones are actually Chaos Emeralds as well), the set in Sonic 1 and 2, and the set that was on Angel Island with Knuckles (as mentioned in the Sonic 3 manual translation).

SpeedStarTMQ, on 14 May 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

As an interesting note, South Island & West Island from Sonic 1 & 2 seem to have close ties to the old tribes, as their Labyrinths and ruins are scattered throughout in places like Marble Zone (Marble Gardens) and so forth.

I've always held a theory that many places on Angel Island are advanced versions of some of the places from Sonic 1/2 (which were possibly abandoned by the Echidnas/whoever lived there before going airborne), due to some of the artwork similarities (I.e. some of the stone blocks in Labyrinth are really similar to Hydrocity, but the stonework as well as the transportation system in Hydrocity is much more intricate and refined than Labyrinth's).

This post has been edited by TheInvisibleSun: 14 May 2012 - 12:17 PM

[ultima espio]

TheInvisibleSun, on 14 May 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Zinos, on 14 May 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

How everyone's A-OK that there are just a bunch of big, floating golden rings arranged in various patterns sitting around their town/city/villiage/etc.

I always thought it was a natural phenomena that always existed in their world (people are thus used to it). This is made more possible by seeing that many of the economies in their world use rings as a currency. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic himself had a bank account somewhere (probably set up with Tails, which would explain how he pays for some of his tech supplies and such).

So it's no different to us finding pennies in the street?

[TheInvisibleSun]

ultima espio, on 14 May 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

TheInvisibleSun, on 14 May 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Zinos, on 14 May 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

How everyone's A-OK that there are just a bunch of big, floating golden rings arranged in various patterns sitting around their town/city/villiage/etc.

I always thought it was a natural phenomena that always existed in their world (people are thus used to it). This is made more possible by seeing that many of the economies in their world use rings as a currency. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic himself had a bank account somewhere (probably set up with Tails, which would explain how he pays for some of his tech supplies and such).

So it's no different to us finding pennies in the street?

Haha I guess I would pick up a lot more pennies if they saved me from death.

But yeah, considering the sheer quantity of rings seen in game (and the cost of things in the Chao Gardens and other shops in-game), maybe they could be equated to our pennies, or the japanese yen.

This post has been edited by TheInvisibleSun: 14 May 2012 - 04:22 PM

[SpeedStarTMQ]

TheInvisibleSun, on 14 May 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

SpeedStarTMQ, on 14 May 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

After sealing Chaos, Angel island was lifted in the air by the gods to keep it safe from anyone who wished to use the power of the emeralds for their own deeds. The emeralds somehow scattered and got lost over time leading to Sonic finding some of them in Sonic 1, and all of them in Sonic 2.

There are a few problems with this part:

1) "Lifted in the air by the gods". Not sure about this, but I don't recall other 'gods' being mentioned specifically anywhere. I could be wrong, but I had always thought that Tikal and Chaos used the power of the Master Emerald to lift the Island for that purpose. Unless, by "the gods" you are referring to Tikal and Chaos...

2) Pre S3&K, there were two sets of known Chaos Emeralds (three if you follow my theory that the Time Stones are actually Chaos Emeralds as well), the set in Sonic 1 and 2, and the set that was on Angel Island with Knuckles (as mentioned in the Sonic 3 manual translation).

SpeedStarTMQ, on 14 May 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

As an interesting note, South Island & West Island from Sonic 1 & 2 seem to have close ties to the old tribes, as their Labyrinths and ruins are scattered throughout in places like Marble Zone (Marble Gardens) and so forth.

I've always held a theory that many places on Angel Island are advanced versions of some of the places from Sonic 1/2 (which were possibly abandoned by the Echidnas/whoever lived there before going airborne), due to some of the artwork similarities (I.e. some of the stone blocks in Labyrinth are really similar to Hydrocity, but the stonework as well as the transportation system in Hydrocity is much more intricate and refined than Labyrinth's).

Get ready to have your mind blown!!

From the Sonic 2 Japanese (and correct version of the story) manual:

"--The Legend of West Side Island--
They say that a very long time ago, the people of this island used mysterious stones to advance their civilization, and they achieved great prosperity. However, when those people people tried to use the stones in the wrong way, their prosperity vanished overnight. After that, they say that the gods sealed the stones away somewhere on the island."

From the Sonic 3 Japanese manual:

"Sonic was reminded of a legend that he had heard long ago, about an ancient civilization that lived upon an island. Creating a society of peace and harmony, the people who lived within attributed their great prosperity to the "Stone of Power," a sacred gem whose energy guided them. One day, as these stories often go, a sect of wise men decided that they wanted to take the power of the stone for their own selfish gain, and tried to seize the energy. Unable to control it, their foolishness caused the great civilization to disappear in the blink of an eye, their way of life being forgotten. In its wake, the gods took the land, rebuilt it, and sent it, along with the "Stone of Power" into the sky... "

The first one's giving us information of a civilization that used the Chaos Emeralds, the second about the Master Emerald.

The only oddity here is that it says "the gods sealed the stones away somewhere on the island" when Sonic had already collected some of them in Sonic 1. I chalk this up to it being a legend and SEGA not realising this complex error at print.

No one really seems to realise that from Sonic 1 all the way to Sonic Adventure, SEGA were creating an entire plot about the origins of the Chaos Emeralds which we in the west missed because SEGA decided to give us some basic story which would hold kids attentions more here.

This sotry though does link all the islands of Sonic 1, 2 and 3 together though, as well as the trainlink to Mystic Ruins which is seemingly just it's own singular island in Sonic Adventure. Sonic Chronicles also gives the player a good idea of the mapping of certain areas too.