[Solaris Paradox]

The Wii is sickeningly child friendly to the point there's no OFF button for it.

Uh, yes there is?

There's a plug you can pull, too, and a nice hammer in the backyard shed you can beat the child-friendliness out of your life with.

But then I wouldn't be able to play Super Mario Galaxy 2. Alas for the irritations I must endure to get my fix...

In all seriousness, though, the Wii's soccermom-friendliness is pretty irritating. Not to derail ye olde Sonick IV discussion, but it's almost as if the console was designed to cater to parents too stupid to figure out how a real, full-featured parental control system works.

[GerbilSoft]

That's why the Wii sucks and Nintendo needs to advance with the times.

But it's for families and OMG MOMZ CAN'T HAVE DERE WIDDLE BABIEZ PLAYIND TO MANY GAMEZ AT 1 TIEM!

That's what I think of their file space. The Wii is sickeningly child friendly to the point there's no OFF button for it. But since Nintendo can make plenty of money off the psycho parents of today that think Pokemon is evil and sends the wrong messages, why should they care about convenience for the average gamer?

All three consoles (Wii, 360, PS3) have a soft power button. (That is, it puts the console in standby mode instead of turning it off.) I'm not quite sure why you're claiming the Wii doesn't have a power button, because it most certainly does. The front panel has Power, Reset, [disc slot], and Eject.

In fact, the Wii's power button is clearly labeled "Power", whereas the 360's power button simply has a power symbol. I guess Microsoft wanted their console to be "sickeningly child friendly," since they assumed kids couldn't read. Not to mention that the Wii's power button is around the size of half a dime, whereas the 360's power button is huge, making it more kid-friendly than the Wii.

EDIT: "OMG MOMZ CAN'T HAVE DERE WIDDLE BABIEZ PLAYIND TO MANY GAMEZ AT 1 TIEM!" - since when did the other consoles support multitasking? And why would you want to be playing multiple games at the same time on a console anyway, considering none of them have more than one CRTC?

(Incidentally, Wii actually *does* support multitasking - if you're running Wii Linux, that is. You can't run Linux on the 360, and Sony recently killed Linux support on PS3. Looks like there's only one console left.)

This post has been edited by GerbilSoft: 24 April 2010 - 10:54 PM

[Solaris Paradox]

You do need to hold the power button until the light turns red, though, which is pretty goddamn annoying if you're in a rush and your finger happens to slip. This also applies to the PS3, although that has the convenience of a "turn off console" option in the XMB and the menu that comes up when you hold down the controller's PS button for a bit. That and the PS3 doesn't make you hold it quite as long as the Wii does...

But that's really fucking off-topic, isn't it?

This post has been edited by Solaris Paradox: 24 April 2010 - 11:07 PM

[GerbilSoft]

You do need to hold the power button until the light turns red, though, which is pretty goddamn annoying if you're in a rush and your finger happens to slip. This also applies to the PS3, although that has the convenience of a "turn off console" option in the XMB and the menu that comes up when you hold down the controller's PS button for a bit.

On the Wii, you only need to do that if the system locks up for some reason (e.g. faulty homebrew). Under normal conditions, pressing the power button turns the system off after a few seconds.

Unless you're referring to WiiConnect24 (yellow power light), which is completely different. You can disable WC24 in the settings menu. After doing that, pressing the Power button will shut off the Wii almost entirely (red power light). (If that's what Volpino means by "never turning off", then he clearly never bothered to read the Wii manual.)

[Solaris Paradox]

Unless you're referring to WiiConnect24 (yellow power light), which is completely different. You can disable WC24 in the settings menu. After doing that, pressing the Power button will shut off the Wii almost entirely (red power light). (If that's what Volpino means by "never turning off", then he clearly never bothered to read the Wii manual.)

Is that what that is? Well, what the deuce is that even for?

[GerbilSoft]

Unless you're referring to WiiConnect24 (yellow power light), which is completely different. You can disable WC24 in the settings menu. After doing that, pressing the Power button will shut off the Wii almost entirely (red power light). (If that's what Volpino means by "never turning off", then he clearly never bothered to read the Wii manual.)

Is that what that is? Well, what the deuce is that even for?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=WiiConnect24

Among other things, it downloads incoming messages while the console is in standby. Some channels also use it for downloading data, including the News Channel and Forecast Channel.

[Baby Ghost]

You do need to hold the power button until the light turns red, though, which is pretty goddamn annoying if you're in a rush and your finger happens to slip.

You only have to hold the button if you're pressing the power button on the Wii Remote. If you're using the one on the Wii itself it should go off with just a click.

Also, this is the Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Megathread, not the Wii Megathread.

[Volpino]

um... What the fuck?

My metaphor confused some people. "There's no OFF button" wasn't meant to literally say the Wii has no off button, I was talking about how you can't turn off the restrictions the Wii has. There's no option to set up a second account (which means if you own Animal Crossing and someone else in your house wants to fuck your museum data you can't do shit about it, because, you know, SHARING IS SUCH A GREAT VALUE LOLOL )

This post has been edited by Volpino: 25 April 2010 - 01:29 AM

[GerbilSoft]

um... What the fuck?

My metaphor confused some people. "There's no OFF button" wasn't meant to literally say the Wii has no off button, I was talking about how you can't turn off the restrictions the Wii has. There's no option to set up a second account (which means if you own Animal Crossing and someone else in your house wants to fuck your museum data you can't do shit about it, because, you know, SHARING IS SUCH A GREAT VALUE LOLOL )

Uh, no. "There's no OFF button" isn't a metaphor. It's quite literal.

And you *can* have separate data. How? By making separate savefiles! Most games do offer separate save slots, and those that don't can be worked around by copying the savefile to an SD card.

Incidentally, how do you turn off the restrictions present on the PS3 or 360? Both consoles don't allow you to install alternative operating systems or run homebrew software, and they're both limited to their respective online services. Also, they won't let you run downloaded software on other consoles unless those consoles are authorized with the original account.

[Volpino]

um... What the fuck?

My metaphor confused some people. "There's no OFF button" wasn't meant to literally say the Wii has no off button, I was talking about how you can't turn off the restrictions the Wii has. There's no option to set up a second account (which means if you own Animal Crossing and someone else in your house wants to fuck your museum data you can't do shit about it, because, you know, SHARING IS SUCH A GREAT VALUE LOLOL )

Uh, no. "There's no OFF button" isn't a metaphor. It's quite literal.

And you *can* have separate data. How? By making separate savefiles! Most games do offer separate save slots, and those that don't can be worked around by copying the savefile to an SD card.

Incidentally, how do you turn off the restrictions present on the PS3 or 360? Both consoles don't allow you to install alternative operating systems or run homebrew software, and they're both limited to their respective online services. Also, they won't let you run downloaded software on other consoles unless those consoles are authorized with the original account.

Well that's how I intended it to come across. I apologize if it was confusing.

I need to try that SD thing.

The PS3 used to have the ability to run other OSs but they took that away in the recent update because people were using it to hack the server. Not an entirely bad reason to take away something a few idiots were abusing just to make their text rainbow colors in CoD.

You can make multiple accounts on the PS3 so the save data is split between accounts. Clearly if you have to get around this with an SD card, it's not meant to happen. On a PS3, the company has made it convenient for you, and your workspace is more personal. I think you also can't have multiple online accounts on the Wii, but I'm not sure. If no, then there goes any real online experience.

[Solaris Paradox]

Personally, I hate that the Wii doesn't keep save files on seperate user accounts, I'm always afraid someone else who uses it might accidentally delete mine, as happened on numerous occasions during previous console generations. Then I remember nobody in my house actually uses my Wii anymore except for me. But nevertheless, the point stands.

Back to Sonic 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxMpJiPDYEE

That's an awesome fan-made theme right there. I don't know if it's necessarily fitting for a regular boss theme, but I wish this were playing during E.G.G. Station Zone, it's a lot better than Boss Theme #2 is for a boss rush level.

This post has been edited by Solaris Paradox: 25 April 2010 - 02:44 AM

[GerbilSoft]

The PS3 used to have the ability to run other OSs but they took that away in the recent update because people were using it to hack the server. Not an entirely bad reason to take away something a few idiots were abusing just to make their text rainbow colors in CoD.

Wow, where did you get this information from? PS3 Linux could not be used to "hack" any game servers, since it ran in a hypervisor environment that, among other things, had no access to the GPU. (Unless by "hack" you mean general "hacking" things like DDoS or port scanning, which could be done on any Linux system, not just PS3 Linux.)

Also, in August 2009, a Sony employee posted a message to the Cbe-oss-dev mailing list stating that they would continue supporting PS3 Linux on original models even though they dropped it on slim models: http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/cbe-oss-...ust/006965.html

You can make multiple accounts on the PS3 so the save data is split between accounts. Clearly if you have to get around this with an SD card, it's not meant to happen. On a PS3, the company has made it convenient for you, and your workspace is more personal. I think you also can't have multiple online accounts on the Wii, but I'm not sure. If no, then there goes any real online experience.

It's not that it wasn't "meant to happen", but that Nintendo didn't exactly plan for future expansion. Instead, what they did is hardcoded games to use specific versions of the "IOS" embedded operating system, which controls most of the hardware and flash memory functionality. For instance, if Nintendo wanted to add SDHC support, they will add it to new versions of IOS, which only new games and updated system menus will use. Older games (e.g. Super Smash Bros. Brawl) will never be able to use SDHC cards. Don't even think about adding online voice chat to older games; that will never happen.

This post has been edited by GerbilSoft: 25 April 2010 - 02:42 AM

[Solaris Paradox]

Wasn't Linux functionality just removed from the PS3 because Sony didn't want to be held responsible for some kind of potential damage to consoles, or something...?

...*ahem*... um, Sonic 4....

[SeanieB]

The PS3 used to have the ability to run other OSs but they took that away in the recent update because people were using it to hack the server.

The Hypervisor/Other OS function was removed because someone broke the hypervisor and gained access to the underlying OS. Sony doesn't want any access to anything running "on bare metal", probably in a bad attempt to keep flaws from being found for the PS3 firmware or copy protection schemes.

[GerbilSoft]

Wasn't Linux functionality just removed from the PS3 because Sony didn't want to be held responsible for some kind of potential damage to consoles, or something...?

Sony has always disclaimed any sort of liability from the use of PS3 Linux. The real reason why it was removed is because George Hotz (aka geohot) posted about a way to break out of the hypervisor by using an FPGA, soldering, and PS3 Linux, which is a rather flimsy excuse, since Sony could have just put out a firmware update that fixed the hole instead of killing PS3 Linux altogether.