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Sonic 1 prototype Video (FAKE) This one had some of us going for awhile....

#301 User is offline Eduardo Knuckles 

Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:16 AM

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View PostSparks, on 09 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

View PostArique, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

BREAKING NEWS: WE GOT A NEW VIDEO.

At this rate, I can't even tell if this is real or not. I mean, it looks real, but the jumping makes it feel like that it's a MMF game.
He had me at the fade. It's fake. :v: In the Genesis games, the colors don't fade so smoothly.
It's true. In the hacks we were currently in need of a guide with a fix that MarkeyJester awesomely did. The correct fade-out in this video is the final proof I wanted that this is a really fake thing. Now it's me the laughing dude here.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:52 AM

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Can someone who actually knows Japanese translate these tweets? The first one reads like a comparison, not like a confirmation of anything. The second one is indecipherable with the machine translations.
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View PostDan Lioneye, on 10 February 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

The previous vids didn't have as many stare-you-in-the-face fuckups as this latest which seemed to cast doubt with YN. But when he saw shit like the dev credits, it must have been like "WTF, we never did anything like that!"
Yeah, this is what gave it away for me too, I doubt they'd have made that screen so early. Fuck it, I doubt that at that point they even had the sound people in the project, so it'd have been impossible for them to put the full credits by that point.

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Well thats that,,
onto the next big topic, I say.. whatever that may be , lol

Hnmm it looks like whoever made the video probably added new shit after reading about it,,,
as when things were mentioned as the sign and the black background title screen, only than were they shown in the video some time later.
( probably because the person was making them)
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I guess I'm the only one here still thinking this is legit.

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View Postn00neimp0rtant, on 10 February 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

I guess I'm the only one here still thinking this is legit.

you're not, I think it's legit as well as I stated on some posts above...
either that or a pirated cart...
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Never mind. I changed my mind.

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The palmtree is MUCH higher in the hoax, as well as the mountain peak that lines up with the top of it.

The only question I have now is why anyone would work this hard on making a hoax, let alone not even actually releasing it as a ROM.

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I smelled fake from the off, although I thought it was a hack and not a fangame. My main question is, are the majority of this scene so desperate and/or gullible as to fall for this as much as some folk here have?

And that is why someone would work so hard to make such a fake. Let yourself be fucked with; in life OR the Internet; and people will fuck with you. Stop it.

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View PostJayextee, on 10 February 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

I smelled fake from the off, although I thought it was a hack and not a fangame. My main question is, are the majority of this scene so desperate and/or gullible as to fall for this as much as some folk here have?

And that is why someone would work so hard to make such a fake. Let yourself be fucked with; in life OR the Internet; and people will fuck with you. Stop it.

Not to get philosophical/off-topic, but when people fuck with you irl it's usually for money, sex, drugs, favors, etc., not just for the purpose of fucking with you.

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View Postn00neimp0rtant, on 10 February 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

I guess I'm the only one here still thinking this is legit.

Let's go through this piece by piece, then (yes, I thought it was at least a possibility it was real for a time, but now it most certainly is not)..

* Sonic's sprites; while the standing sprite is somewhat right, as people have pointed out the head isn't far forward enough, and it isn't a part of some waiting animation as he's stood around for long enough in these videos to show it. Plus, every other sprite in this is actually from Sonic CD. The walking frames don't have the movement and bounce that Sonic 1's did, but the staticness that Sonic CD's does. Plus, the face is different in the standing sprite compared to all the others which is stock Sonic 1/CD.

* In the prototype screenshots, the grass has been literally rotated for the slopes. In the videos, and in Sonic 1 in general, the grass just falls straight downwards, even on the slopes.

* The clouds, as have been pointed out many a time, are from the Special Stage. While this isn't necessarily "proof", as they could be older clouds they just wanted to still use somewhere, it is still somewhat suspicious.

* That sign, that we only NOW see, has inconsistencies that have already been pointed out; the lettering, the arrow, the picture, etc. I also remember seeing a sign design just like this on this very board somewhere, and I'm still trying to find it.

* The jump 'physics' look completely wrong, yet the rolling and everything else seems fine (to me). Seems like a weird thing to have wrong, and especially when it looks like an older iteration of Sonic Worlds. :P

* Graphical inconsistencies with the background positioning compared to actual screenshots, curves and highlights and stuff in the wrong places, they've already all been pointed out.

* The title screen is "final" here, just with the background removed. As an image just a few posts back shows, the actual prototype's title screen had positioning and size changes, not to mention the missing blue from the inner ring under the banner.

* The "hidden" credits thing. Stealth gave a complete and concise post about it a few up, so there's nothing more to say on that. Read it. :U

* The fade; while it could be that they originally faded to grey and then it was made to do a colour at a time so it looks to blue after, it is highly unlikely. A lot of other Mega Drive games fade out the same way, and it was probably just stock example code.

.. and I'm sure I've forgotten other things too.

Also, to counter the "this could be another prototype" thing, there is only one prototype this early that could've possibly be stolen/retrieved/whatever, and that's the Tokyo Games Show one that the prototype screenshots are from, and has been reported as missing. I sincerely doubt anything else would've been made in a releasable, cartridge, showoff-able form that early on in development.

So.. yeah. It's a fake. :U

View Postn00neimp0rtant, on 10 February 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Not to get philosophical/off-topic, but when people fuck with you irl it's usually for money, sex, drugs, favors, etc., not just for the purpose of fucking with you.
We've had many a 'prototype' like this show up back in the day, "just for the purpose of fucking with" people. It just hasn't happened in a good while. Granted, the graphics and hacking/recreation possible now to the average user is a lot more than then, but it was still done.

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View PostJayextee, on 10 February 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

I smelled fake from the off, although I thought it was a hack and not a fangame. My main question is, are the majority of this scene so desperate and/or gullible as to fall for this as much as some folk here have?
No, almost everybody labeled this as fake since the very beginning, and kept finding proof about it. The real issue is why the fuck have been paying so much attention to it?

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I admit, I've been watching the topic like a hawk. Main reason is, I wanted to see more. Fake or not, I've been rather interested. Personally if I were the faker, I wouldn't have based so much on what was seen, but throw in some unseen content that looked like it could have been in the demo/proto. You know, a real curveball -- and harder for the Internet Detective brigade to debunk. And I wanted to see that. ;)

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View PostSik, on 10 February 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

No, almost everybody labeled this as fake since the very beginning, and kept finding proof about it.

Just like every other "leak" of anything on the internet (remember how many people called the gizmodo iPhone leak fake?). Because hey, if it's fake, wow you were right! But if it's real...who cares if you were wrong, there's a super cool Sonic prototype!!

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Can we please begin the hunt for other Megadrive protos / Sonic 1 protos? I miss those days / there is still much to find out there, somewhere.

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View PostTravelsonic, on 10 February 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Can we please begin the hunt for other Megadrive protos / Sonic 1 protos? I miss those days / there is still much to find out there, somewhere.

I don't think anyone really "stopped" hunting; they're just REALLY hard to find. (I would pay hundreds for that infamous Sonic Adventure prototype with the completely-different Windy Valley and the scoring on the Icecap snowboarding)

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