Sonic 2 LD

doc eggfan · Sep 13, 2008

Any pixel jockeys interested in finishing the tails sprite sheet?

tails

There's these ones, and I'll get the running sprites from the ending too for reference.

Polygon Jim · Sep 13, 2008

I'll do it, if I have time.

He needs all the frames sonic has right?

Also, if you don't mind if tail's is a bit less colorful, you can use Sonic's pallete. I don't know if in the MS/GG s2 enemys and such use Sonic's pallete or not. If they do, changing that will mess them up won't it?

I'll do them with the pallete you have in those sprites for now, unless it would be better to use the lower color sprite.

Personally I think the one with less color's matches Sonic's style more.

Arctides · Sep 13, 2008

Egg, what emulator are you working with here?

doc eggfan · Sep 13, 2008

Arctides said:

Egg, what emulator are you working with here?
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I swap between Kega Fusion and Mekaw, depends what mood I'm in/computer I'm using. They're both probably old versions, I never bother to update.

The save states in the archive are fusion

I'll do it, if I have time.

He needs all the frames sonic has right?
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SONIC SPRITES

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SPRITE RIGHT-FACING/LEFT-FACING

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Standing: 10D80-10EFF/40D80-40EFF

Waiting 1-1: 12F80-130FF/42F80-430FF

Waiting 1-2: 13100-1327F/43100-4327F

Looking Up: 10F00-1107F/40F00-4107F

Ducking: 11680-117FF/41680-417FF

Walking 1: 10000-1017F/40000-4017F

Walking 2: 10180-102FF/40180-402FF

Walking 3: 10300-1047F/40300-4047F

Walking 4: 10480-105FF/40480-405FF

Walking 5: 10600-1077F/40600-4077F

Walking 6: 10780-108FF/40780-408FF

Running 1: 11080-111FF/41080-411FF

Running 2: 11200-1137F/41200-4137F

Running 3: 11380-114FF/41380-414FF

Running 4: 11500-1167F/41500-4167F

Rolling 1: 11800-1197F/41800-4197F

Rolling 2: 11980-11AFF/41980-41AFF

Rolling 3: 11B00-11C7F/41B00-41C7F

Rolling 4: 11C80-11DFF/41C80-41DFF

Rolling 5: 11E00-11F7F/41E00-41F7F

Stopping 1: 11F80-120FF/41F80-420FF

Stopping 2: 12100-1227F/42100-4227F

Dying 2: 13680-137FF/43680-437FF

Drowning: 12400-1257F/42400-4257F

Inhaling Bubble: 12580-126FF/42580-426FF

Being hit 1: 12700-1287F/42700-4287F

Being hit 2: 12880-129FF/42880-429FF

* Springing: 12A00-12B7F/42A00-42B7F

+ Balancing 1: 12B80-12D7F/42B80-42D7F

+ Balancing 2: 12D80-12F7F/42D80-42F7F

+ Inside Bubble 1: 13280-1347F/43280-4347F

+ Inside Bubble 2: 13480-1367F/43480-4367F

# Railcart (Entering): 15E00-15EBF/45E00-45EBF

# Railcart 1: 15EC0-15F7F/45EC0-45F7F

# Railcart 2: 15F80-1603F/45F80-4603F

# Railcart (looking up): 16040-160FF/46040-460FF

# Railcart (crouching): 16100-161BF/46100-461BF

+ Hang glider (gliding up 1): 14000-141FF/44000-441FF

+ Hang glider (gliding up 2): 14200-143FF/44200-443FF

+ Hang glider (gliding up 3): 14400-145FF/44400-445FF

+ Hang glider (gliding 1): 14600-147FF/44600-447FF

+ Hang glider (gliding 2): 14800-149FF/44800-449FF

+ Hang glider (gliding 3): 14A00-14BFF/44A00-44BFF

+ Hang glider (running 1): 14C00-14DFF/44C00-44DFF

+ Hang glider (running 2): 14E00-14FFF/44E00-44FFF

+ Hang glider (running 3): 15000-151FF/45000-451FF

+ Hang glider (running 4): 15200-153FF/45200-453FF

+ Hang glider (running 5): 15400-155FF/45400-455FF

+ Hang glider (running 6): 15600-157FF/45600-457FF

+ Hang glider (gliding down 1): 15800-159FF/45800-459FF

+ Hang glider (gliding down 2): 15A00-15BFF/45A00-45BFF

+ Hang glider (gliding down 3): 15C00-15DFF/45C00-45DFF

+ Loop 1: 18000-181FF
+ Loop 2: 18200-183FF
+ Loop 3: 18400-185FF
+ Loop 4: 18600-187FF
+ Loop 5: 18800-189FF
+ Loop 6: 18A00-18BFF
+ Loop 7: 18C00-18DFF
+ Loop 8: 18E00-18FFF
+ Loop 9: 19000-191FF
+ Loop 10: 19200-193FF
+ Loop 11: 19400-195FF
+ Loop 12: 19600-197FF
+ Loop 13: 19800-199FF
+ Loop 14: 19A00-19BFF
+ Loop 15: 19C00-19DFF
+ Loop 16: 19E00-19FFF
+ Loop 17: 1A000-1A1FF
+ Loop 18: 1A200-1A3FF
+ Loop 19: 1A400-1A5FF
+ Loop 20: 1A600-1A7FF
+ Loop 21: 1A800-1A9FF
+ Loop 22: 1AA00-1ABFF
+ Loop 23: 1AC00-1ADFF
+ Loop 24: 1AE00-1AFFF
+ Loop 25: 1B000-1B1FF
+ Loop 26: 1B200-1B3FF
+ Loop 27: 1B400-1B5FF
+ Loop 28: 1B600-1B7FF
+ Loop 29: 1B800-1B9FF
+ Loop 30: 1BA00-1BBFF

MAPPINGS

Standard
1 3 5
2 4 6
7 9 B
8 A C

+ Alternative

1 3 5 7
2 4 6 8
9 B D F
A C E 0

* Spring

1 3
2 4
5 7
6 8
9 B
A C

# Railcart

1 3 5
2 4 6

Also, if you don't mind if tail's is a bit less colorful, you can use Sonic's pallete. I don't know if in the MS/GG s2 enemys and such use Sonic's pallete or not. If they do, changing that will mess them up won't it?

I'll do them with the pallete you have in those sprites for now, unless it would be better to use the lower color sprite.

Personally I think the one with less color's matches Sonic's style more.
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I prefer to be as accurate to the original as possible, but there shouldn't be a problem using what ever palette you like. There's always a way to make it fit.

doc eggfan · Sep 14, 2008

All known pre-existing Sonic 2 Tails sprites

Polygon Jim · Sep 14, 2008

I'll get to work on Tails for you.

MoDule · Sep 14, 2008

While you're at it you could correct a mistake in the sprite palette. I'll use some images to show you what I mean:

From top to bottom the palettes are
-Normal palette used in every zone (sms)
-Intro sequence (sms)
-Intro sequence (gg)
-ALZ Under water (gg)

The chaos emeralds. Take a look at the purple, red and green ones. See what's wrong with the red one?
If you'll look at the tenth color from the left you'll see that in the top palette it's a dark blue.This color is wrong and it's used very often. It's supposed to be dark red, like in the other three palettes. The other color I'd like to direct your attention to is the fifteenth (the pink one). This color is used by Robotnik's eggmobile, but it's usage suggests that it's supposed to be dark yellow, like in the third palette.
If you'll take an other look at the emeralds, the purple one specifically, you'll see that it also uses the fifteenth color. Fortunately, this isn't a problem, because as far as I know, each act has it's own version of the sprite palette (they're all identical).
My point is, in act 3 of each zone you can make the fifteenth color dark yellow and in act 2 you can use colors 15 and 16 for the chaos emeralds (so the 'purple' one can actually be purple). Also, see how the green chaos emerald is mostly gray? You can use color 15 for an extra shade of green, because SEZ act 3 doesn't need the dark yellow.

Shadix · Sep 16, 2008

hmm... This is a neat project and all, but where is the genesis port of S2MS? Needs to happen some day.

JcFerggy · Sep 16, 2008

Knowing how much you love Silver Sonic combined with the fact that you are trying to "create a true Master System port of the 16-bit Mega Drive/Genesis title Sonic the Hedgehog 2 using the engine of the 8-bit version of Sonic the Hedgehog 2", I thought I'd make you a present

doc eggfan · Sep 16, 2008

Schweeeeeeeeeet.

Do you want to do the other frames too?

JcFerggy · Sep 16, 2008

I don't mind, I just want to know of any restrictions, like if any tiles are shared, and it would be useful if I had a palette to work off, since I just used the colors in the sprite you posted earlier.

MoDule · Sep 16, 2008

Well, here's the full, unbrightened, Mastersystem palette in it's 6-bit glory

and this is the sprite palette with one of the corrections I suggested earlier

Btw, does s2 use 4bpp graphics exclusively, or are there 3bpp graphics in there, too?

JcFerggy · Sep 17, 2008

Opinion?

-Edit- It looks darker since I'm using MoDule palette that he provided.

doc eggfan · Sep 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JcFerggy @ Sep 17 2008, 10:23 AM)

-Edit- It looks darker since I'm using MoDule palette that he provided.[/quote]
Awesomeness. I'm going to have to investigate the mappings to get the rolling animation to work, but other than that it should all fit.

Of course, maybe it shouldn't have spikes since you'll still bounce off mid-air collisions.

Polygon Jim · Sep 17, 2008

Sorry for not working on tails the last few days. My power has been out since Sunday.

MoDule · Sep 17, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JcFerggy @ Sep 17 2008, 02:23 AM)

-Edit- It looks darker since I'm using MoDule palette that he provided.[/quote]
Awesome. Though I wonder if that Silver Sonic model wouldn't be better suited for EHZ's boss?

Since you want to make this as close to 16-bit Sonic 2 as possible I went and made some signpost art

and chaos emerald art (with the normal in game colors and with s2 16-bit colors (you can get both to work with some palette tweaking))

I know they look a little squashed, but considering the screen is supposed to be stretched, I think they should be just fine (they look perfect on a wide screen monitor). Also, note that rings aren't perfect circles, either.

If you want to use the signpost and/or emerald art I can provide the tile data.

doc eggfan · Sep 17, 2008

MoDule said:

Sorry for not working on tails the last few days. My power has been out since Sunday.
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Don't stress, there's no deadline. I haven't done anything lately either.

Though I wonder if that Silver Sonic model wouldn't be better suited for EHZ's boss?
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Capital idea. That would be perfect for the first demo I intend to release with a completed EHZ.
GHZ boss has more pixel real estate, so should new art be commissioned?

If you want to use the signpost and/or emerald art I can provide the tile data.
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MoDule · Sep 17, 2008

Fresh tiles up for grabs. Get 'em while they're hot.
Enjoy.
Can't wait for the first demo.

Oh, I should add, that ALZ's and SEZ's emeralds will need a palette change to look right.

doc eggfan · Sep 19, 2008

YES!

NO!

YES!

NO!

GOD DAMN "PRESS START BUTTON" FLASHING CODE!

The title screen is a mess. The final art has been tacked on over the top of the beta art, and it's severely hampering my efforts to modify the title screen. As you can see, only the Game Gear portion of the screen has been edited,

Has anyone ever restored the beta title screen before? I think I would be more successful editing that instead, but I don't know how to restore it.

Sik · Sep 19, 2008

doc eggfan said:

GOD DAMN "PRESS START BUTTON" FLASHING CODE!
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