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Posted 04 April 2017 - 01:27 PM

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From the tweet, it sounds like he redesigned Chaos. That would be a big contribution to the game, so it makes the removal of his name from the end credits even more puzzling.

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 01:21 AM

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Naoto Oshima added some new concept art to his Twitter.

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It sounds like from what he's saying that he drew the rough draft / sketch and Hoshino finalized it and turned it into this which Naoto Oshima thinks looks amazing.

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He also drew concept art for the box art of Sonic Spinball.

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And then there's this!

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Words cannot express how happy I am to see this concept art and I'll explain why. I was actually going to make a thread about this. There is apparently some lost Sonic the Screensaver styled artwork that was never featured in Sonic the Screensaver and this happens to be one of them. These lost artworks were featured in some Japanese Sonic merchandise back in the 1990s such as stickers, posters, calendars, phone cards, pictures on various merchandise such as sewing boxes and bento boxes, pencil cases ect. This illustration in particular was in a set of Sega Freaks collectible cards and I have been trying to track down this illustration for ages. It saddens me greatly when there is beautiful artwork that is lost and I have never been able to get this illustration in good quality. I always find small hard to see images of it. There's another Sonic the Screensaver illustration that's lost art which was used in some merchandise as well that I'm also trying to track down. If I remember correctly, these illustrations were also used for the Sega magazine Harmony. I really hope that we can see more of these lost illustrations and also see the finalized colored variants as well. I'm hoping that they will be in the artbook that's coming out soon. In fact, back in 2011 Retro made a post about the Sega Freaks cards. It can be found here - https://www.sonicret...ag/sega-freaks/ If anybody has these cards it would mean so much to me if we could get a closer picture or scan of the lost art which is the concept art that Naoto Oshima was kind enough to share. It makes me happy to finally see this image in good quality for the most part. I could never make out what was going on in the background because the only images I've ever found of this illustration have been extremely small.

I circled in red the finalized version of this illustration.

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It would be great to find these pictures in good quality some day. It makes me wonder how much more Screensaver styled artwork is out there that we don't even know about. Another thing that's really interesting about this particular concept art illustration is that it looks awfully similar to this.

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And here's some concept art of Sonic's red iconic sneakers lol.

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Naoto Oshima mentions how they were inspired off of Micheal Jackson's shoes in the Bad music video and says that Micheal Jackson liked Sonic.

As for that Perfect Chaos concept art...Since he mentions redesigning it, maybe it's actually concept art for Sonic Generations? Because they changed Chaos' design slightly in that game. This is just a wild guess though so I'm probably wrong lol.

Here's the other lost Screensaver Styled illustration. It was used as a Calendar.

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Another interesting thing I've noticed with the Sonic the Screensaver illustrations is that sometimes there is subtle various differences between the ones released in Screensaver versus the ones used for Merchandise.

For example, here's an illustration of Sonic standing by a jukebox which was used for a puzzle.

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And here's the one used in Screensaver.

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Both are similar with a similar pose but they are a little different. The jukebox's design is different in the puzzle version, Sonic lacks his bowtie, and his pose is slightly different such as his hands. In the Screensaver version he's also looking upwards a little more and is facing the other way. I find it interesting how there's little differences like this and what makes me sad is that a lot of the nice art used for only merchandise is lost to time because they were never released in high quality. I'm really hoping that a lot of the lost art will make it's way into the upcoming artbook.

The one piece of lost art that I really want in good quality is this.

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I want to see a high quality version where it's not sunfaded and not cropped. I think this piece of art is beautiful and it's kind of a shame that it's kind of lost. It was in magazines back when Sonic CD was still in production and was also used as a Japanese scratch and sniff postcard where it apparently smelled like citrus.
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View PostSonicGenesis89, on 05 April 2017 - 01:21 AM, said:

Naoto Oshima added some new concept art to his Twitter.

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It sounds like from what he's saying that he drew the rough draft / sketch and Hoshino finalized it and turned it into this which Naoto Oshima thinks looks amazing.


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CD SONIC TEH EH


heh

Anyway, interesting that he prefers the final piece. It's iconic for sure but I prefer Sonic's pose in his original sketch. Feels way more dynamic and tense, like Sonic's just about to clock Metal with an uppercut. The way he's posed in the final combined with whatever that glow on his hand is supposed to be just makes me think that he's fist-pumping at a rave.

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Interesting how it looks like Metal has a tail in that picture. Was that a mistake or was that part of his initial design?

At the same time though it looks like Sonic has an exhaust pipe, so who knows.

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The Video Game History Foundation just archived a floppy with Sonic Adventure character art that was sent to media on July 3rd, 1999
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View PostTimmiT, on 05 April 2017 - 01:00 PM, said:


Not just a standard 3.5" floppy disk, but a Zip disk.

For those of you whippersnappers who don't know what a Zip disk is, it's a ~100 MB (later 250 MB and 750 MB) storage device that requires a proprietary disk drive to read. It was fairly popular back in the 90s, and there was going to be a Zip drive add-on for the Dreamcast, but it fell through for a variety of reasons. It didn't help that Zip drive quality went down quite a bit later on, resulting in the infamous "click of death" problem.
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Posted 05 April 2017 - 04:06 PM

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View PostSonicGenesis89, on 05 April 2017 - 01:21 AM, said:

If I remember correctly, these illustrations were also used for the Sega magazine Harmony.

They were made for that magazine - Sega's internal newsletter thing that we don't have clear pictures of.

It's why so many of those images are themed around celebrations or events that occurred in the early-90s. Harmony was published every month or so (I'm not sure there was a strict schedule).


i.e. a big "1993" suggests the January 1993 issue.



These sorts of things occasionally turn up on Japanese auction sites, but it's a mixture of English speakers not knowing/understanding and sellers unwilling to ship internationally.
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Ohshima is beginning to need his own thread. xD

Today a drawing of Nights and another one of Sonic (he even has said what you were talking about, that these illustrations were the covers of the newsletters):

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View PostMiles Wolf, on 05 April 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

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A few English words written in Japanese that I can translate:
"American comic *somethingsomething*"
"Tan tatatata Superman intro!"
"Planets *somethingsomething*"

Shame that the scans crop out some stuff.
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So, my supposedly Eu Rev 01 copy of Sonic 1 came in the mail today. So I put it in the Mega Drive, switched it on and what I got was Sonic 1 Rev 00... Fuck.



Now, this is where it gets wierd. I took a closer look at the cartridge and could see "NOT FOR RESALE" blending through the cartridge label.
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Great, I bought either a relabeled American version of Sonic 1 or a bootleg. The box also 'feels' a lot different, as well as the colours:

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Left: 'Made in Japan' relabel/bootleg(?) - Right: Standard 'Made in China' release

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Sorry for barrage of huge images, but I have no Idea whether this is a bootleg, reproduction copy or a simple relabel.

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The video doesn't show up for some reason, I guess I'll just post a link:

Link text (wow so original)
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#4871 User is offline GerbilSoft 

Posted 06 April 2017 - 12:16 PM

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Who came up with the idea that "Made in Japan" definitely means Rev.01? That sounds as sketchy as the myth that Sonic 2 Rev.00 has pigs in Casino Night's animal capsule.

If anything, it's merely a coincidence. Remember, correlation != causation.
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My Sonic 1 EU cart has "not for resale" bleeding through. And if I gently peel of the EU label, it has the Genesis version underneath.

My Sonic 1 cart was a pack in with the Mega Drive.

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:48 PM

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View PostTimmiT, on 05 April 2017 - 01:00 PM, said:


For the record:

http://info.sonicret...tionalSonic.png
http://info.sonicret...alSonicChao.png
http://info.sonicret...nicKnuckles.png

that's the contents. Although there's an ISO in the package that isn't playing nice - can't quite be bothered with that one right now.


I've got more mileage out of that Dragon Force art CD uploaded by the same user. Always good to see these things.



Incidentally that third image with Knuckles - the fact Knuckles' glove clips through Sonic's shoe has been bugging me for years.

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View PostCHRdutch, on 06 April 2017 - 12:04 PM, said:

I have no Idea whether this is a bootleg, reproduction copy or
That's redundant. =P


By the way, gotta love how the Spanish blurb translates Sonic's name and also calls him a porcupine.
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Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:52 AM

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If you look at the right of the label on the cart, you can see a slither of the orange US label. My cart's slightly damaged, with a tiny tear on that side of the label. No other label is visible underneath. The letter 'P' is draw on it, though. It's always puzzled me what that meant. 'PAL'? 'Pirate'? Who knows.

Spoiler


The box I have is in the style of the second one you linked: the list of patents is missing from the back of the box.

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