Hey guys. I meant to post last night, but for some weird reason, I got knocked offline and I couldn't reconnect so I don't know if any more posts have come in since. But regardless, I never thought I'd get this much attention from any corner from the Sonic community, let alone this one! Thank you guys so much for giving my video the time of day, regardless if you liked it or not. I just figured a video like this just needed to exist and I'm glad that it's getting some kind of traction.
I'll try to address all of your replies at the time of this writing as best as I can so we can talk. (Except for The Game Critique; I'll just reply to his YouTube comment later on if it's convenient for him)
biggestsonicfan, on 03 January 2019 - 11:57 AM, said:
Haven't enjoyed the series since Black Knight. I can't even enjoy older titles anymore. I just feel obligated at this point.
Well that's unfortunate that you're in the same boat as me; I just fell in at a later time. But I'm hopeful that we'll both get back into Sonic games one day.
Laughingcow, on 03 January 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:
Oh great one of these videos. No, a game doesn't magically become bad when they get old. You are the one who changed. It doesn't get any deeper than that.
It's just like this video where someone tries to convince people that Sonic was just some scam.
I'm not going to waste much time on this. If you aren't having fun then simply move on to something else.
While I agree on the first two points that you made, I do believe that my disliking of the franchise goes deeper than age itself. I think the fact that I made a near hour long video expressing my discontent with the franchise is proof of that.
Y' know, it's funny that you reference that video. I do agree with a handful of points that those guys made, but I almost lost it when they said that Sonic games couldn't be as bad as the Crash Bandicoot games. I was all like "You take that back right the hell now, you... you... person!" lol yeah; That's immature of me, I know. I think they said about Sonic is that speed was used mainly as a marketing tool to sell Genesis units and I do believe that's true to a degree, but I hadn't seen the video in a while, so I could just be remembering things wrong. I'll prolly look at it again at a later date.
Now to your last point. I think it's good to take a break from Sonic games from time to time to help clear your head so you can go back in with a fresh mind. It's just that I've already been doing that a handful of times with no change in opinion. Maybe I'm just playing the wrong games on my break? I dunno, what do you think? What games would you recommend I follow up with after playing something like Sonic 3 for a while?
Ashura96, on 03 January 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:
Man and here I thought Sonic Mania's rave reviews had all these types go away.
Could you clarify what you mean by "types?" It could really refer to anything, whether it be fans, haters, people who are neutral to the series, etc.. It's just that you got me curious when you mentioned that Sonic Mania had reduced its quantity. Sorry for asking if it would be too much trouble for you.
HEDGESMFG, on 03 January 2019 - 01:51 PM, said:
Good for you.
I still think the momentum based gameplay engines of the genesis are some of the best 2D engines ever made, with clear rewards for skill and mastery of the system. Also a technical marvel for their age.
Sucks to be you if you don't think so.
While I do agree that the Genesis was ahead of it's time, I don't know if I would say it's the best. As for the rewards being clear, it really depends on the game... and the rewards themselves for that matter. But it's like I said, anything can be considered a reward to some degree, really, so I can't really pick out a favorite gameplay engine myself. But to each his own, I guess.
"Sucks to be you if you don't think so."
Well, that's not very nice...
Hez, on 03 January 2019 - 01:59 PM, said:
It's called getting older. I also don't like ball pits as much as I did as a kid.
Like I said to Laughingcow, I don't think age is what happened. While it's true that people get wiser as they grow older, I think people can use that newfound knowledge to have fun with Sonic games. I just haven't really found that knowledge yet. I'm not so sure about how the ball pit metaphor connects, but if you'd like to explain your stance, I'm all ears... er, eyes.
Regardless, I do still hope that you and I can get back into liking Sonic games again.
Zephyr, on 03 January 2019 - 02:41 PM, said:
did you actually join a sonic forum just to pimp your video about why you don't like sonic
lol. "pimp." I see what you did there. But yeah, guilty as charged for the most part. I also joined because I wanted to see if anyone here was willing to have a discussion with someone with an opposing viewpoint. I just figured that a website that focuses primarily around Sonic games would be the best place to find civil dialogue. I could be wrong, though. It could only be a good place. lol
Aerosol, on 03 January 2019 - 02:44 PM, said:
Holy shit this is fantastic.
Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Ravenfreak, on 03 January 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:
Okay cool, you don't like Sonic that's fine. It's your opinion, but uh why did you join a Sonic community? I mean I don't like Harvest Moon, so I'm not going to waste my time joining a fan forum to state why I don't like the games.
See my reply to Zephyr. In addition, I think people with opposing viewpoints can still join a community revolving around it as long as you're both willing to discuss it. I say no harm, no fowl. You both might even learn something new from the disagreement. Crazy how that works, huh?
Yash, on 03 January 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:
Ok?
I'm really curious what it is about Sonic that makes people feel the need to share this in the most obnoxious way possible, like everyone who still enjoys the games is just a cheap mark who was somehow tricked into thinking the games were good.
I played some of the original Sonic Adventure (which we are all aware has not aged particularly well) the other day and still had a blast with it, I'm sorry the series has lost that spark for you.
Well, I don't really know much about the Sonic community, so I can't really comment on that. But I do find it particularly interesting that you liked a game that you know hasn't aged well. I'm sure the reason goes beyond just nostalgia. I mean I played Sonic 3 when I was a kid, but look at what I think of it now. Maybe I'm just unlucky with how my brain is hardwired or something? lol, I dunno.
Also, I don't think the series had lost that spark for me as much as I think that it just needs a reigniting. I'm sure the spark is still there somewhere because I wouldn't have made this video otherwise. Don't worry, I still have hope.
360, on 03 January 2019 - 06:29 PM, said:
Yeah I think this is just getting older also. I still enjoy video games and Sonic games included but no way near as much as in my youth when video games were these beautiful fantastical experiences of which nothing else came close. Also to echo everyone else there doesn't seem much point in you being here if you don't like the games this forum revolves around? Overlord is also going to trash this as soon as he sees it. So you may want to try to positively contribute with your remaining trial posts if you want to stay. That's just friendly advice. No negative sentiment intended.
Yeah, it's kind of a shame that we don't see a lot of people coming up with valid reasons to dislike the franchise. But here's a good mindfuck for you: Egoraptor likes Sonic 3... crazy, isn't it?
Yeah, back in the old days, video games were less about art and more about... well... f'n video games! They're supposed to offer a unique experience in the entertainment medium that movies and books simply can't. Nowadays, if The Game Awards 2018 is anything to go off of, they've become just a more complicated way to watch TV. That's why I put most of my faith in indie games now. At least they can afford to take risks.
As for the reason I'm here, sure, maybe seeking discussion with unlike-minded individuals isn't a major reason, but I was validated, so maybe the SonicRetro guys saw something that I could offer? I don't see why this Overlord person would trash this post. I mean I think I'm making a fairly positive contribution by offering an opposing viewpoint along with an invitation to civil discussion. That's what I posted in my validation post and that's what put me on here. Thanks for the advice, regardless.
Yeow, on 03 January 2019 - 06:34 PM, said:
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It's gonna be fun to see if the OP even returns to this forum to begin with, let alone acknowledge the big elephant in the room they just conjured up.
I would further elaborate, but the thread's got twelve replies already (including me) and I don't think I need to feed it any further.
Sorry, the only OP I'm familiar with is "Over-Powered." I'm still new to this site. But regardless, you don't have to say anymore if you don't feel confident in doing so. I've been there before so I understand.
steveswede, on 03 January 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:
This OP thread is epic, also makes me nostalgic for the frequent shit posts we used to have. :P
Wow, those must've been the days, huh? I wish I could've been there to see it. When we were young, we've had our stupid little fun. But all things must come to an end whether it be for better or worse.
Well I suppose that it for now. Sorry if I'm not all that great at talking to people, but I'll check back here later to see if I get anymore replies. Man, I was so nervous to see where this would go and I think I still might be, to be honest.