[Dude]

The more he works on this, the more I wish it was real =[

[Metal Man88]

It's too bad we couldn't all meet somewhere else, then claim that there was also playable Eggman and Giraffes in the game, and see if the hoax maker includes them in the next update. Since I'm fairly certain he's reading this topic.

[Hendricks 266]

Black Squirrel, on 10 February 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

With Sonic 2, I think it's safe to say there's only one meaningful prototype left to find (which I assume must be "Beta 3"). There'll have been a million different internal builds, but only a small handful of versions sent out to the public, whether that be trade shows, magazines, videos, etc. For the record, "Beta 3" would probably be the one with the more complete proto Casino Night, final running animations in Hidden Palace, etc. We have "Beta 1" (nick arcade), "2" (Simon Wai) and versions after 3.

Nick Arcade prototype ≠ "Beta 1" and Simon Wai prototype ≠ "Beta 2". The eleventh-hour proofing prototypes we have ("Beta 4" through "Beta 8"... with two "Beta 6"s) are simply a final round of bugfixing and proofing before the final was shipped. You are correct in that the earlier two are milestones sent to the public, the former of course to Nick Arcade and the latter to a New York Toy Show, but it is not correct to assign them numbers because they are loads different than the later set. It is more correct to call the early revisions alphas, and even more correct to just call them prototypes. The term "Alpha" refers to an incomplete game, which is what the first two are, while a "Beta" is feature-complete. However the Greek naming system is falling out of use.

Hopefully I can dig it up but I remember some sort of "Sonic 2 dev timeline" document from when I started lurking way back in 2004/2005 which contained a screenshot of a more updated level select than the Wai beta but still in the Sonic 1 style.

Black Squirrel, on 10 February 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

You could compare it to say, a web browser. In 2030 people decide they want to dig up old versions of Firefox - they can find the final versions and the beta ones, but nobody gave a damn about the nightly builds so it's almost impossible for them to find the 12 February 2008 nighty build or whatever. Exactly the same situation here - you're only likely to find major milestones.

While you may be right about the binary builds themselves of the nightlies, you are incorrect about minor revisions being lost for an open source browser like Firefox. Firefox keeps its source code in a versioning system which contains every change made to it possibly as far back as its creation.

[Elratauru]

Hendricks 266, on 11 February 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

While you may be right about the binary builds themselves of the nightlies, you are incorrect about minor revisions being lost for an open source browser like Firefox. Firefox keeps its source code in a versioning system which contains every change made to it possibly as far back as its creation.

However we are talking about a game made in 1991. While its possible to compile a firefox version from an specific date... It's impossible that Sonic Team used SVN or any kind of versioning system, not just because it was 1991... but because we're talking about game development, its way too complex for svn. It may work for a simple program that has to reach X functionality but for a game, It's way too centered...even if you can fork it to add more stuff.

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Still, I'd kinda like for this guy to release the fangame just to try it out for shits and giggles.

[OKei]

He's sorry, everyone. =P

[Lanzer]

Not only that, he's released it:
http://www.mediafire...4b2n4542b5ymqmb

Enjoy the hoax!

This post has been edited by Lanzer: 11 February 2012 - 04:18 AM

[Epsilonsama]

Lanzer, on 11 February 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

Not only that, he's released it:
http://www.mediafire...4b2n4542b5ymqmb

Enjoy the hoax!

Please don't give this link to Yuji Naka. Its generic shitty fangame #567, with Sonic 4 style physics.

[Black Squirrel]

Hendricks 266, on 11 February 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

While you may be right about the binary builds themselves of the nightlies, you are incorrect about minor revisions being lost for an open source browser like Firefox. Firefox keeps its source code in a versioning system which contains every change made to it possibly as far back as its creation.

I think the idea is to assume any sort of versioning system is lost if the comparison is to work. Whcih is why I set it in the future

Point is, you're never likely to find an archive containing 382902183 different versions of Sonic 1's source code because there was only ever likely one or two copies ever made. With the review copies the number of ROMs out there could be in the double figures. Tons of places had access to the version with Sparkling Zone and Clock Ork.

[Shoemanbundy]

Epsilonsama, on 11 February 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

Lanzer, on 11 February 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

Not only that, he's released it:
http://www.mediafire...4b2n4542b5ymqmb

Enjoy the hoax!

Please don't give this link to Yuji Naka. Its generic shitty fangame #567, with Sonic 4 style physics.

Someone else inevitably will give it to him no doubt.

The physics look so much more obviously god awful now than they did in the videos. Not sure how that happened.

[Hez]

Shoemanbundy, on 11 February 2012 - 06:21 AM, said:

Epsilonsama, on 11 February 2012 - 04:42 AM, said:

Lanzer, on 11 February 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

Not only that, he's released it:
http://www.mediafire...4b2n4542b5ymqmb

Enjoy the hoax!

Please don't give this link to Yuji Naka. Its generic shitty fangame #567, with Sonic 4 style physics.

Someone else inevitably will give it to him no doubt.

The physics look so much more obviously god awful now than they did in the videos. Not sure how that happened.

Guess it goes to show you how a shitty camera and a TV out on a computer can do.

[FeliciaVal]

ok, I feel stupid now for believing it was real you guys were right the whole time...
I apologize for my stupidity *hides in shame corner*

[redhotsonic]

That doesn't surprise me. And FeliciaVal, you knew deep down it was fake. You just wanted to beleive it was real. I wanted to beleive it was real. But there was too much evidence it was fake =P

[Caniad Bach]

OKei, on 11 February 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

He's sorry, everyone. =P

Oh now that's just lame. Saying "U mad bro?" with a looping clip of J.K. Simmons laughing would have done the trick. This is just rather pathetic. Nice of him to release it though.

It was, in my opinion, obviously fake from the start. Still, could be worse, he could have asked for money for the thing =P.

I second the statement of not sending it to Naka, just because we can contact him about things doesn't mean we should, you guys have gone mad with power!

[Yeow]

Surprised he finally fessed up AND made the fangame available to play. I wasn't expecting him to do that.

[Yuzoboy]

For those who havent downloaded it yet, heres a more 'clearer' representation of the game. Changed the ending a bit as a message to the developer:)