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Sonic Generations Hacking (and More!) Generations Cracked wide open (Custom Levels are an ongoing event!

#1141 User is offline Yarharhar 

Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:14 AM

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So, are you actually able to make these 2d planes that classic sonic orients himself to?

And if so, can these planes be not-static? As in, attach and orient themselves to sonic? In that case, since sonic keeps his reference to the 2d plane, if you could keep it orienting to his look direction, the spindash direction would stay updated. This is of course a workaround at best, but hacking is always little steps :)

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I've stopped having problems with classic's spindash (other than before the first 2D plane) since I started using the iz3D driver with generations. Now I can spindash in the correct direction. :psyduck:

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View PostYarharhar, on 21 February 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

So, are you actually able to make these 2d planes that classic sonic orients himself to?

And if so, can these planes be not-static? As in, attach and orient themselves to sonic? In that case, since sonic keeps his reference to the 2d plane, if you could keep it orienting to his look direction, the spindash direction would stay updated. This is of course a workaround at best, but hacking is always little steps :)


Erm... I'd like to know how this could be hacked into the EXE via hex or x86 ASM, because this looks like a stretch...

View PostPsychoSk8r, on 21 February 2012 - 03:05 AM, said:

I've stopped having problems with classic's spindash (other than before the first 2D plane) since I started using the iz3D driver with generations. Now I can spindash in the correct direction. :psyduck:


So using a 3D video driver you can spindash correctly in 3D?

Video or it didn't happen, sorry.

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I must know.


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View PostAzu, on 21 February 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

I must know.


Can't you equip the skill modifying the lua scripts(if there's any available) in the stage file? At least for missions you can equip any shit you want that way.

Also an interesting problem for someone who might know the answer, past a certain coordinate in some levels we're testing(rooftop run in particular since it's such a long stage), past a point there's a bug where collision is screwed up. It's like any game logic still works, but havok dynamic physics and stuff stop working. Sonic can't collide with enemies and objects, and the bug stays after restarting the level. Even if the pieces of a blown enemy fly past that point they just stay in the air right there.

My guess is that this problem is Havok related since the objects are going out of the broadphase box and so, it asserts and the havok simulation just stops. Since sonic's handled by in-game logic and they seem to do their own collision with the rigid bodies, he can still walk around. I've tried increasing the aabb limits in the world info, Chimera was testing changing how the broadphase handles objects outside of the box(city escape has one particular definition for it), but no luck. If anyone has any more experience with Havok I'd appreciate if you can help. :(

EDIT: Also, does anyone not realise you can make custom animations instead of doing those lame ass model swaps? :v:


Just use some settings in the Havok filters, import a model with Darkspines' script since the skeletons are named accordingly, animate the keyframes and done. :v: It's been known for a while but apparently the answer has to be spoon-fed I guess.
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To be honest, I think the original Unleashed version of the gameplay engine is superior to that of Sonic Generations. Unleashed has a light-dash that can be used almost everywhere, there's foot collision, and also Unleashed has a longer air boost. The only thing that Generations improved upon, from what I can tell, are the drifting controls and implementation of trick combos.
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View Postsynchronizer, on 21 February 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Unleashed has a light-dash that can be used almost everywhere

Blank out the light dash aura and you got the same.

View Postsynchronizer, on 21 February 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

there's foot collision

Generations has that.

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and also Unleashed has a longer air boost.

Tweakable in the XML configuration files.

As for improvements:
  • Support for proper 60 FPS framerate, which helps a ton with timing and no control lag
  • Support for more resolutions than sub-720p, and PC gaming knows no bounds on that.
  • The quality of the assets in Unleashed plus the DLC Global Illumination data is bigger than an average Generations stage. Rooftop run has about double the filesize than the Generations version, and that includes 270 MB of global illumination data.
  • A PC version of the part that is considered good of Unleashed, without having to deal with the werehog


In its current state there's not much to wow anyone, but once all materials are working plus shadow casting it'll look much, MUCH better. That's why I'm currently researching into the terrain format as well thanks to Darkspines.

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View Postsynchronizer, on 21 February 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

To be honest, I think the original Unleashed version of the gameplay engine is superior to that of Sonic Generations. Unleashed has a light-dash that can be used almost everywhere, there's foot collision, and also Unleashed has a longer air boost. The only thing that Generations improved upon, from what I can tell, are the drifting controls and implementation of trick combos.

As Dario explained, those are all incorrect reasons to think the Generations gameplay engine is "inferior". Technically speaking, it is very much superior to Unleashed in every way, and any nitpicks you have with the gameplay changes were INTENTIONAL design decisions, not at all the fault of the engine.

By the way, each ring has a toggleable option for light-dashing, so Sonic Team merely decided Sonic can only light dash with specific ring trails in Generations.
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Okay put in some real drifting in there and not the ball action. Oh wait, I think that just uses the jump ball animation anyways. Oh well. But if not, someone get right on that.

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Tbh I actually like the ball drift; it fits Sonic's style a little more IMO. Plus; the spinball spawn is hardcoded IIRC.

Also, for clarification, this bounding box probelm also happens in Cool Edge and that stage isn't even that big, so no doubt it could randomly happen in other stages we didn't completely finish yet. Just a little extra incentive for people to help out I suppose :p

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Random comment, but the one thing I liked about that empire city video is that Sonic's drift actually works around that corner now. I always had to slow down and jog around that corner in Unleashed.

Oh and now that we have Super Sonic in Shadow's level, try and do it in Perfect Chaos for real since... well it makes sense. And one thing I had in mind that I was curious about, would it be possible to create new maps for rival battles? Sonic vs. Metal Sonic in Sky Sanctuary would be pretty awesome.

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View PostDark Sonic, on 21 February 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Random comment, but the one thing I liked about that empire city video is that Sonic's drift actually works around that corner now. I always had to slow down and jog around that corner in Unleashed.

Oh and now that we have Super Sonic in Shadow's level, try and do it in Perfect Chaos for real since... well it makes sense. And one thing I had in mind that I was curious about, would it be possible to create new maps for rival battles? Sonic vs. Metal Sonic in Sky Sanctuary would be pretty awesome.

Even just putting Modern and Classic in each other's boss battles with a few tweaks so they work properly. I think THAT would be interesting to see.

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View PostDario FF, on 21 February 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

View PostAzu, on 21 February 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

I must know.


Can't you equip the skill modifying the lua scripts(if there's any available) in the stage file? At least for missions you can equip any shit you want that way.


Not unless he did it with cheat engine some how.

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I can't believe I haven't asked this before, but how easy is it to edit textures? I really want to retexture some signs in Crisis City and City Escape.

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So I liked Unleashed's drift, I finally figured out how the spin ball works and got it set up to play Sonic for the animation. Just need to animate him properly, then we can have Sonic drifting like he did in that Cg trailer. Since I liked that drifting than this ball stuff.

Faceplant Drift = Epic
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