[Wolf Rogers]

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

You know what disappoints me about this game's cutscenes? They could have poked so much more fun at the continuity of the series then they did. Like I like how they mentioned saving genies from magic books and intersteller amusement parks. But I mean, come on. They could have had modern Sonic fuck up the Egg wrecking ball fight for classic Sonic, they could have had modern Sonic simply groan at Shadow being an idiot in that second cutscene after that boss since he knows what happens. Robotnik could have gotten ticked off by modern Sonic calling him Eggman. Hell they could have been confused as to all hell what Crisis City is. But most cutscenes simply take place in that white abyss. Hell, Classic tails just shows up out of no where to my knowledge. Where did he come from?

I am not sure if this is a joke post, but what the hell, I'll bite :

Spoiler

1) Classic Sonic is sucked into the Vortex FIRST, so it's safe to assume he's wandering around the white space whilst we, the player, are controlling Modern Sonic after he gets sucked in.
2) "Doctor Robotnik!" "Bah, No one calls me THAT anymore!"

This post has been edited by Wolf Rogers: 31 October 2011 - 06:02 PM

[Tylinos]

muteKi, on 31 October 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

Lending plausibility to the "scrapped/DLC rival battles" is that each era has exactly one other notable rival battle, featuring a character introduced during it at least. Hmmm...

Wait, which ones do you mean? Knuckles for Classic, yeah, and I guess you mean E-102 for Dreamcast, but what about Modern? Silver's the only rival battle I can remember Sonic having out of '06, Unleashed, and Colors.

This post has been edited by Tylinos: 31 October 2011 - 06:06 PM

[muteKi]

muteKi, on 31 October 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

Whoever was asking, yes, CNZ is accessed from the hub world; it's got hub music like everything else.


Speaking of hub music, the hub music numbered after 12 (that is, everything prefixed with EMBB064) (which IIRC goes to the final boss area) has a couple spaces. There's nothing corresponding to 13 (EMBB065) or 17 (EMBB069). They're on either side of the music for the rival battles. 18 (EMBB070) is the CNZ hub music.

This may not mean anything, but it could mean they're reserving these things for additional DLC. Either way, 13 might have been associated with a rival battle from the classic era given that Metal Sonic has 14 (EMBB066); 17 could have been a stage or another rival battle, from the modern area then if the latter.

Lending plausibility to the "scrapped/DLC rival battles" is that each era has exactly one other notable rival battle, featuring a character introduced during it at least. Hmmm...

Slightly false alarm there for 17! I didn't find EMBB069 since it's listed as just BB069; it's for the Genesis Sonic 1 part of the hub. Dunno why it's listed so weirdly like that though.

[Namo]

Josh, on 31 October 2011 - 05:22 PM, said:

Regarding the low review scores... look, the way Kirby's Return to Dreamland has been received has really taught me something about the modern mainstream game reviewers. The vast majority of them praised the gameplay and nostalgia, but compared the game very unfavorably to, of all things, Kirby's Epic Yarn. They said that RtD was lacking in originality compared to the Kirby spinoff games like Mass Attack and whatnot, implying that it's just not enough for a game to be a good platformer nowadays.

Action platformers -- Sonic games -- are my favorite genre to this day. But among the reviewers (and, I'd assume, a large subset of the younger gaming crowd), it's seen as outdated and old just by the virtue of its genre. And most of those reviewers, especially here in America, might not be nearly as nostalgic for Sonic as they are for Mario (whose NSMB games have gotten really favorable scores in spite of being retro throwbacks). So while I'd like to see it getting 9s, and for me personally it'll probably be UnendingOrgasm/10, that its getting mostly 8s is a great indication of how awesome it is.

That is a really good point, actually. Now that you bring it up, I always seem to get a hot-head over older-style games getting reviewed unfavorably compared to the big hits, even though we're all aware of reviewer bias.

You're absolutely right, it would be great if Kirby RtD and Sonic Generations got 9s and 10s across the board, but they are doing well considering how little they do to change their formulas, aside from some spit and shine and touched up controls. (Ironic, considering one of the most popular genres in gaming at the moment seems to haven't changed a bit since 1999, but whatever.)

Now, comparing a new game to and older one in the series and rating it lower because it's too similar/dissimilar is another monster altogether. Games should be rated purely on how entertaining they are, not because "This game in the series differs too little from the previous entry, ARGH MINUS 20 POINTS" or "The previous game and this game had completely different goals, but blah blah docking some points."

[MastaSys]

Kharen, on 31 October 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Spoiler

I saw a playthough of the final boss, and afterwards it had Sonic and Co. reappear at the party, with Sonic making a comment about how his chili dog wasn't even cold. Can anybody imagine Eggman's version of the same concept? I can see it now...

Eggman leaves through the time portal with his newest fiendish plot to rid himself of that blasted hedgehog once and for all...

-----3 SECONDS LATER-----

Orbot: I have to say, that has to be a new record, Doctor. Were you even trying this time?

Spoiler

Actually there's a cut-scene after the credits that show the Doctor's fate after his defeat, and I might say it was the worst and more cruel to this day.
But as always he will find a way to overcome it.

[Dark Sonic]

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

words

I will fucking murder you.

Normally I'm not one to make posts such as that but idk. And it's such a minor minor minor x 1000 flaw. It's alright really. Like I love this game, it looks great and I can't wait to play it tomorrow. Relax, I'm not one of those "SONIC 06 HAD AN EPIC PLOT AND THAT MAKES IT FUN" type of people. I just would slightly have liked to see more references to Sonic's past conveyed through cutscenes.

And yes, the Robotnik mention. That did make me smile when I heard it. Still seeing as how he referred to himself as Robotnik up until Adventure 1 (and slightly 2), it'd seem like Eggman would have been more of an insult to classic Robotnik then it is to modern Eggman.

Also despite classic Sonic being sucked up first, it still doesn't explain where classic Tails came from, unless I'm missing something. I mean it makes sense that he's in the white space too but they never show him running into modern Tails or Sonic. Unless is there a cutscene where you save classic Tails like there's one when you save modern Tails?

This post has been edited by Dark Sonic: 31 October 2011 - 06:34 PM

[Hinchy]

Hey Retro, it's meta time:

[Lanzer]

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

One odd thing I noticed though. They're using the SA2 Eggman theme in this game instead of the 06 one, funny considering not only has it been used for all "modern" games but at the same time it's played outside the boss gate for the egg dragoon, a game which used the 06 eggman theme.

They didn't really use allot of the modern tropes they usually use in this game but I'm thinking its because its an anniversary game and they wanted to go with things people remember and not any recent stuff. it'll be the next game that decides weither the tropes were dropped all together.

I miss the orchestral final boss track already...

Also, those pre-rendered cutscenes in the launch trailer and trailers before it, where the hell are they in the game? is it in the games intro (not first cutscene)?

This post has been edited by Lanzer: 31 October 2011 - 06:53 PM

[Demi]

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

words

I will fucking murder you.

Words

I'm talking about you saying all this "X said this and then Y happened" without spoiler tags....

[Dark Sonic]

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

words

I will fucking murder you.

Words

I'm talking about you saying all this "X said this and then Y happened" without spoiler tags....

FFFFFFFFF I'm sorry I didn't even realize since I thought everyone spoiled everything for themselves by now. Fuck

[Squier Super Sonic]

Azu, on 31 October 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

Quick question, anyone knows how to do that speed boost effect for the music in Modern's music? Seems like a Phaser effect but I can't get it with Audacity.

Running it through a flanger is probably the simplest way to do it.

This post has been edited by Squier Super Sonic: 31 October 2011 - 07:07 PM

[JcFerggy]

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

words

I will fucking murder you.

Words

I'm talking about you saying all this "X said this and then Y happened" without spoiler tags....

FFFFFFFFF I'm sorry I didn't even realize since I thought everyone spoiled everything for themselves by now. Fuck

Overlord, on 31 October 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

I would like to remind those going for a midnight launch this evening - and the rest of you Americans who will be getting the game tomorrow - that half of this board will not get the game until Friday. Please keep using spoiler tags where necessary until at LEAST Saturday night.

2 Pages back man :/

[Vangar]

I can't believe I have to post this, but:

Spoiler

Lets be clear on the final cutscene, where Tails calls classic Eggman Robotnik. He says:

"Nobody calls me that anymore *waves hand, like brushing it off*. If you would be so kind as to explain, gentleman genius Dr. Eggman From The Future."

They aren't trying to make out like it's a bad thing, and they aren't trying to hide the fact he was called Robotnik in the western world. They added it in there for us, the classic hardcore fans, as a joke. He's saying no one calls him that anymore because no one does in modern games...

1) Modern Eggman must have told him it's a better name and he gets called that in the future.
2) don't take it so seriously.

He doesn't put emphasis on it, he doesn't get angry.


Thanks.

[Nora Kisaragi]

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 06:58 PM, said:

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Demi, on 31 October 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Dark Sonic, on 31 October 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:

words

I will fucking murder you.

Words

I'm talking about you saying all this "X said this and then Y happened" without spoiler tags....

FFFFFFFFF I'm sorry I didn't even realize since I thought everyone spoiled everything for themselves by now. Fuck

God damnit. Edit your posts. I already read half of it by the time I figured out what was going on

-_-

[Hinchy]

Vangar, on 31 October 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

I can't believe I have to post this, but:

Spoiler

Lets be clear on the final cutscene, where Tails calls classic Eggman Robotnik. He says:

"Nobody calls me that anymore *waves hand, like brushing it off*. If you would be so kind as to explain, gentleman genius Dr. Eggman From The Future."

They aren't trying to make out like it's a bad thing, and they aren't trying to hide the fact he was called Robotnik in the western world. They added it in there for us, the classic hardcore fans, as a joke. He's saying no one calls him that anymore because no one does in modern games...

1) Modern Eggman must have told him it's a better name and he gets called that in the future.
2) don't take it so seriously.

He doesn't put emphasis on it, he doesn't get angry.


Thanks.

Spoiler

Basically, Dr. Robotnik became Dr. Eggman BECAUSE Dr. Eggman from the future came back in time and told Dr. Robotnik to change his name to Dr. Eggman. BEST ONTOLOGICAL PARADOX EVER

This post has been edited by Hinchy: 31 October 2011 - 07:32 PM