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THE KEN PENDERS CHRONICLES: a man you Ken DePenders on

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by The KKM, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. Overlord

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  2. Sir_mihael

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    Holy hell, not only did he quote it, but he made it sound awkward as hell, adding in some unecessary extra lines when the original poem was meant to leave something to the imagination

    Ken, don't just add Because I was an Echidna into the last part. Either have it running throughout the quote, or just stick to "Because I was not Hedgehog" instead. The flow is all over the place.

    Then again, I don't know how obvious the visuals are that go with this. Although the mental image of Penders trying to write Schindler's List & Knuckles is something I never wanted to imagine.
     
  3. Dark Sonic

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    Can someone write this please? So in this reality, Robotnik is Hitler, Snively is an SS officer, and the swatbots are Nazis right?

    Someone dress up a Motobug in an SS uniform.
     
  4. I wonder what Jimmy would think...
     
  5. Chimera

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    NGL that broke me.

    I'm not sorry.
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    ur welcom dawg.
     
  6. Sir_mihael

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    That's... BEAUTIFUL. Seven Academy Awards are on the way to you right now.
     
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    In the (hopefully) distant future, I will be on my deathbed, and while trying to think of something profound to say to my family and friends as my last words, I will think of this and immediately burst into laughter and die.
     
  9. Dark Sonic

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    Nope this is some good Penders grade material. Perfect for schindlers list & Knuckles.
     
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    https://twitter.com/KenPenders/status/918921002523824128

    [quotename='Ken Penders']What incentive is there to create new characters for IDW & SEGA if creators don't get a piece of the action? Royalties only reason to do it.[/quote]

    Well, you heard it here: The only reason someone should ever be willing introduce new characters for the series is if they can get royalties for their use. Silly things like creative output or a fondness for the series? Those should never be as important to a writer as cold hard cash.

    ...Seriously, what.

    Outside of his more particularly racist or sexist tweets, this has to be one of the most utterly ridiculous things he's ever said.

    Also, Ken, didn't you originally introduce all of your characters from the Archie run while under the impression that Sega would have ownership over them, and only discovered otherwise later?
     
  11. Sir_mihael

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    Wow. You can basically boil his tweet down to "WHY CREATE IF NO $$$$?" as if he's actually perplexed that people would (dare I say it) actually WANT to write a Sonic the Hedgehog comic for more than just the money.

    Sonic was nothing more than a springboard for him to peddle his own material off of. We're seeing that now more than ever. Also fucking hell, the salt is flowing from him now.
     
  12. trakker

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    I dunno, I reckon the creation of a new character is something that is commissioned, does he think that Naoto Ohshima get a cheque every time Sega uses Sonic?

    ... wait, does he? lol
     
  13. It makes sense that Penders is turbo-asshurt now that he knows he will be getting absolutely ZERO percent royalties from any of this. There was a Sonic thread on /co/ about a week ago or so that remarked on the fact that Penders is much like another guy in the comics industry, I don't know his name but he was apparently close with the creators of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and attempted to lawsuit them into oblivion for something he created. While it didn't work, he basically carried on as a specter looming over the series, looking to sue at the slightest thing.

    It's pretty clear that this is what Penders intends, he's gonna watch IDW like a hawk and try to sue for anything he can because he knows he's no longer relevant.
     
  14. Sir_mihael

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    I really hope this time in between Archie and IDW has given Sega the chance get some supreme Penders defense going. I want IDW to be confident in creating whatever new characters and stories they feel necessary for the plot without going "Oh damn, having this female Echidna might get He Who Shall Not Be Named onto us again..". The lawyers should be clued in enough to be able to swat Penders away if he tries anything.

    I'd hate to quote Capcom on this, but if we imagine an Archie character as a 'Function' (for example, Scourge played the 'function' of an evil version of Sonic), I feel like IDW should be able to have that same 'function' in their comics. The concept of an evil Sonic isn't exactly original , but I know Penders has gotten wound up in the past when people have even suggested rebooting a character like Scourge, with Penders implying he's the sole inventor of the concept of an evil Sonic type character!
    Bullshit like that should be stomped out, and I'd hate for Sega/IDW's lawyers to have to settle for less due to not caring or being so well informed about all this petty rubbish.

    If they know the enemy and know themselves, we'll all have a good time except Ken Penders.

    That's my hopes anyway!
     
  15. Tylinos

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    That's nothing; In the same post where he originally claimed Evil Sonic was a Totally Original Character, and that he owns all concepts of anti-characters in Sonic (including ones that were never introduced), he also made the claim that he invented the idea of alternate timelines in Sonic. This is despite the fact that Sonic CD predated his work on the comic.

    The original post was lost when he took down his forum, but a quoted copy can be found here for anyone who still wants to see it.

    [quotename='Ken Penders, circa 2014']Evil Sonic is mine simply because - despite the apparent source material - he's a totally different character. For starters, he doesn't behave or look like Sonic. (Yeah, I can already see the tomatoes being thrown at me.) More importantly, he doesn't serve the same function in the story as Sonic does. Let's look at "Hero To Zero" from SONIC #150 to illustrate my point. Unlike Sonic, who would never think of doing so, Evil Sonic puts the make on anything female that crosses his path. If you don't have the character, you have a totally different story from the one you do. And this rule of thumb is applicable to every appearance he makes. The fact is he only appeared in stories when I had a reason to use him. If I just used him randomly without purpose, then you MIGHT have an argument he's simply a Sonic clone. However, he served a specific purpose to any story that further defined him as a totally separate and unique character. Another relevant factor is the fact a character like him does not exist in any Sonic game or cartoon at the time of his creation. Yet another relevant factor is I didn't sign a contract transferring rights of the Evil Sonic stories to anyone else.

    Contrast that with Evil Geoffrey and Evil Julie-Su. Even if you claim these characters didn't exist until Ian or whomever features them in a story, there are several problems here beyond the fact I created Geoffrey St. John and Julie-Su. The first one is the fact I introduced the concept of the multi-verse to the SONIC series as it exists. While the games had zones or levels, they did not have alternate timelines, nor did they feature doppelgangers of any kind of any of the characters. Evil Bunnie didn't appear in the early stories, but it was a given she existed on the same plane as Evil Sonic, as would an Evil Geoffrey or an Evil Julie-Su. (Actually, I don't believe the Geoffrey of that universe would necessarily be "evil", probably something more like "Anti-Knuckles", who was an opposite from the actual Knuckles by being a pacifist. Still, an Evil Geoffrey could exist on one of the planes of existence introduced in SONIC #19, which still leaves him in my possession as you're utilizing my concepts in order to create an Evil Geoffrey. On the flip side, Evil Sonic's personality is not derived from any characteristics unique to Sonic. His origins are totally divorced from Sonic despite the fact he's a blue hedgehog.)[/quote]
     
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    Seeing as how this thread has been brought back up. It's worth reminding people that Scott Fulop, another asshole that tried this shit, LOST HIS CASE against Archie.

    https://westfaironline.com/93650/archie-of-riverdale-but-really-pelham-wins-a-round-in-court/

    I'm gonna be vulgar about this, Penders can go fuck himself. I don't say this as someone who reads archie Sonic (cause I don't) but as a fan of comics in general. It's insulting to the medium and I take personal offense. I'd wish bad on him but the simple fact of the matter: His project is dead and he's just some nobody on twitter, pretending anyone in the industry remembers he exists. And like any other bottom feeder who will NEVER rise out of the shit, only thing he'll do is try to drag anyone down there with him.

    I just needed to get that off my chest.
     
  17. Sir_mihael

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    Dear god. Reading Penders justify why he owns all his donut steals makes me even more annoyed at Sega and Archie for letting this shit get to this point in the first place!
    Anyone with common sense would normally say "uh, yeah Sega owns this Knuckles fella, sorry, you can't just give him a stick-on beard and say it's your own character...", but somehow it's come this far, and Ken's as deluded as ever.

    Yeah, I'm really hoping IDW have all the paperwork they need to combat this shit. They should have the freedom to do Evil characters, Time Travel and whatever the heck they want (of course, I'd rather they didn't retread Archie territory, but I'd be happier if they at least had the option to) without fear of PENDERING

    Well put! That was very satisfying to read. He really has nothing to gain from any of this apart from to make more of the world hate him. Or yes, drag others down into his bucket. What a way to live.
     
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    Honestly the idea of having the knowledge that they could stick Julie-Su in an issue is a more enticing fantasy to me than the idea of them actually doing it. Because I don't care about Julie-Su, but I do care about a good comic not having to put up with bullshit. I'd be totally satisfied if they said "oh we can do that, we just probably won't".
     
  19. Honestly, if these restrictions are more lax on the IDW version, why even bother with Julie-Su? Just bring in Shade. :v
     
  20. Volphied

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    That would also enrage Penders, as he accused Chronicles to be an unauthorized rip-off of his donut steels.

    Anyway, I'm wondering if Penders finally realizes that despite him utterly hating Archie, he needed them too in order to stay relevant. He will have absolutely no connection to the upcoming IDW Sonic comic, and thus the only thing that now awaits Penders is him being swallowed into the abyss of obscurity. Even his angry tweets will slowly cease to receive any attention. This is game over for him.

    And I fucking love it.