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***A WARNING ABOUT DEBUG MODE*** So you found something using debug, huh?

#16 User is offline Rika Chou 

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Sakura Courage Solo, on Apr 22 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

Travelsonic, on Apr 22 2006, 03:14 PM, said:

Quick Man, on Apr 2 2006, 02:57 PM, said:

The beta isn't a full game. You're forced to use debug to explore it. Thus it falls off this warning.

You are also forced into debug for exploring the remnants of Hidden Palace in the final Sonic 2, IIRC, not that there is much of anything woth exploring there is another debate, but debug was still needed for this.

Yeah, only thing I found REMOTELY interesting about that is if you go into debug mode and go to Hidden Palace, then leave Sonic idling a while, he'll use the 'unused' waiting sprites of laying down. *shrugs* And THEN it's probably just a tripped glitch.

How would you say that it is unused? It can be seen during normal gameplay in any level.
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#17 User is offline Sakura Courage Solo 

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Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 12:01 AM, said:

Sakura Courage Solo, on Apr 22 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

Travelsonic, on Apr 22 2006, 03:14 PM, said:

Quick Man, on Apr 2 2006, 02:57 PM, said:

The beta isn't a full game. You're forced to use debug to explore it. Thus it falls off this warning.

You are also forced into debug for exploring the remnants of Hidden Palace in the final Sonic 2, IIRC, not that there is much of anything woth exploring there is another debate, but debug was still needed for this.

Yeah, only thing I found REMOTELY interesting about that is if you go into debug mode and go to Hidden Palace, then leave Sonic idling a while, he'll use the 'unused' waiting sprites of laying down. *shrugs* And THEN it's probably just a tripped glitch.

How would you say that it is unused? It can be seen during normal gameplay in any level.

Not in the final version. In the final, when Sonic idles, he just stands there and pats his foot.

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Sakura Courage Solo, on Apr 22 2006, 08:04 PM, said:

Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 12:01 AM, said:

Sakura Courage Solo, on Apr 22 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

Travelsonic, on Apr 22 2006, 03:14 PM, said:

Quick Man, on Apr 2 2006, 02:57 PM, said:

The beta isn't a full game. You're forced to use debug to explore it. Thus it falls off this warning.

You are also forced into debug for exploring the remnants of Hidden Palace in the final Sonic 2, IIRC, not that there is much of anything woth exploring there is another debate, but debug was still needed for this.

Yeah, only thing I found REMOTELY interesting about that is if you go into debug mode and go to Hidden Palace, then leave Sonic idling a while, he'll use the 'unused' waiting sprites of laying down. *shrugs* And THEN it's probably just a tripped glitch.

How would you say that it is unused? It can be seen during normal gameplay in any level.

Not in the final version. In the final, when Sonic idles, he just stands there and pats his foot.

No.

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Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 12:06 AM, said:

Sakura Courage Solo, on Apr 22 2006, 08:04 PM, said:

Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 12:01 AM, said:

Sakura Courage Solo, on Apr 22 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

Travelsonic, on Apr 22 2006, 03:14 PM, said:

Quick Man, on Apr 2 2006, 02:57 PM, said:

The beta isn't a full game. You're forced to use debug to explore it. Thus it falls off this warning.

You are also forced into debug for exploring the remnants of Hidden Palace in the final Sonic 2, IIRC, not that there is much of anything woth exploring there is another debate, but debug was still needed for this.

Yeah, only thing I found REMOTELY interesting about that is if you go into debug mode and go to Hidden Palace, then leave Sonic idling a while, he'll use the 'unused' waiting sprites of laying down. *shrugs* And THEN it's probably just a tripped glitch.

How would you say that it is unused? It can be seen during normal gameplay in any level.

Not in the final version. In the final, when Sonic idles, he just stands there and pats his foot.

No.

... you're right, I just opened up a Sonic 2 Final ROM and checked. Seems I never let Sonic idle long enough in the past to see the laying down posture and had only proviously seen him pat his foot and look at his watch. I apologize for my stupidity. -_-;;

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Those are the other laying down sprites that are, in fact, unused.

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Guess_Who, on Apr 22 2006, 07:57 PM, said:

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Those are the other laying down sprites that are, in fact, unused.

First sprite is used. Its used when Sonic gets up from waiting as he lays down.
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See here. Its one of those short second frames.


Edit: Call me Captian Obvious.
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Sparks, on Apr 23 2006, 01:54 PM, said:

Guess_Who, on Apr 22 2006, 07:57 PM, said:

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Those are the other laying down sprites that are, in fact, unused.

First sprite is used. Its used when Sonic gets up from waiting as he lays down.
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See here. Its one of those short second frames.


Edit: Call me Captian Obvious.

The two sprites are different. Look closely.

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The Mighty Boosh, on Apr 23 2006, 08:27 AM, said:

Sparks, on Apr 23 2006, 01:54 PM, said:

Guess_Who, on Apr 22 2006, 07:57 PM, said:

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Those are the other laying down sprites that are, in fact, unused.

First sprite is used. Its used when Sonic gets up from waiting as he lays down.
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See here. Its one of those short second frames.


Edit: Call me Captian Obvious.

The two sprites are different. Look closely.

They look the same to me. You should note that the sprites are colored wrong in the first picture.

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Ooh, nice find. Never noticed they reused the first frame before... Should that be added to the site?

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Added to TODO list. Good find Sparks.

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Those sprites were on the old Area 51, I should put it on SRZ. But yeah that's an interesting clarification on the resued first frame.
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Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 06:12 PM, said:

They look the same to me. You should note that the sprites are colored wrong in the first picture.

Wrong enough to make Sonic's eyelids change from blue to peach? =\

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Neo Chaotikal, on Apr 23 2006, 01:14 PM, said:

Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 06:12 PM, said:

They look the same to me. You should note that the sprites are colored wrong in the first picture.

Wrong enough to make Sonic's eyelids change from blue to peach? =\

shut up

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Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 08:19 PM, said:

Neo Chaotikal, on Apr 23 2006, 01:14 PM, said:

Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 06:12 PM, said:

They look the same to me. You should note that the sprites are colored wrong in the first picture.

Wrong enough to make Sonic's eyelids change from blue to peach? =\

shut up

No.

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Neo Chaotikal, on Apr 23 2006, 12:14 PM, said:

Rika Chou, on Apr 23 2006, 06:12 PM, said:

They look the same to me. You should note that the sprites are colored wrong in the first picture.

Wrong enough to make Sonic's eyelids change from blue to peach? =\

Their actually peach in Sonic 1s title screen and the frame just before you start "waiting." As well as other places.

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I think that changed after Sonic Adventure.

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