[Steven M]

Frozen Nitrogen, on 30 December 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

So yeah, this is why you should all edit the wiki more, people. You insert your biases subtly enough, and in due time they will become fact.

Tchyeah. Future ROM compilations will be preceded with a "The game you are about to play is a product of its time etc" warning.

VVVVVV And K2J wins the no-prize

This post has been edited by Steven M: 30 December 2011 - 04:22 PM

[K2J]

Which is from (IIRC) Looney Tunes reruns anyway.

[Jayextee]

Late to yet another party, I got Generations just today. I just cleared Planet Wisp and am about to get the keys to the boss. So far, Modern Sonic is Unleashed Day But Good. Classic Sonic feels like he's modern minus the moveset and plus a stupidly-overpowered spin dash.

Not to say I'm not enjoying this. Sky Sanctuary Act 2 almost made my gonads explode with delight. I think I'll be playing the tits off this.

[David The Lurker]

Frozen Nitrogen, on 30 December 2011 - 09:39 AM, said:

CesspoolofHatred, on 29 December 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

I'm surprised Frozen Nitrogen hasn't popped in here to say that SEGA basically used the names for the Iblis enemies we have in our wiki entry for Sonic 06.

So essentially he made canon?

Not like it's the first time. The Sonic the Hedgehog Sticker Collection lifted my character descriptions verbatim from the wiki.
(lol they didn't even correct my spelling)

There've been occasional subtelties as well, before this: things that aren't obviously lifted from the wiki, unlike the above, but that arouse suspicion when the official media suddenly starts using the same terminology that we do. Remember that bit in Colours HD where Eggman refers to the planet as "Sonic's world", and at the time it was mentioned on the forums that this turn of phrase seemed a little unorthodox? Call me a egomaniacal conspiracy theorist if you want, but it seems a curious coincidence that we'd previously settled on "Sonic's world" on the wiki as a neutral compromise between Earthfags and Mobiusfags.

So yeah, this is why you should all edit the wiki more, people. You insert your biases subtly enough, and in due time they will become fact.

Wait wait wait. What? I mean, I know all about the Iblis worm thing, but I didn't know anything about the Sonic's World bit. I mean, the games take place on Earth and all, an-sorry, this is not the proper place and time to get into that. Either way, I'm not sure what to think about Sega just taking things from the wiki and using it in official products. Because to me, all it says is that Sega does not care enough to keep track of their own franchises, and instead rely on fanmade compilations to keep everything in check. While we are the best Sonic resource around, there are mistakes here and there. I'd rather find out we've been wrong about something for years than to find out that Sega is just lazy has turned an inaccuracy into fact.

[Falk]

Um. Sometimes it's a conscious decision to use terms that the community already uses.

Then again Sonic has had so many 'official' canon offshoots that it's a huge mess, anyway.

[SpeedStarTMQ]

I'm not getting this. Sonic's world is earth. Earth is Sonic's world. It's not OUR earth, but it is earth, no matter what way you dice it. It's been referred to as earth in the Sonic media a lot. Does Eggman actually say Sonic's world? I don't remember that in Colours at all anyway, but it certainly means nothing. The earth I'm on is MY world, but there's no hidden agenda behind me saying that.

[Clutch]

Falk, on 30 December 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

Um. Sometimes it's a conscious decision to use terms that the community already uses.

Yeah, this isn't just "being lazy". If the community's already using a widely-accepted and perfectly fine name for a character, sometimes a developer/writer will just go with it as it's far less likely to piss people off by giving concepts a less applicable/creative/catchy name or spreading confusion by having fans learn two names for the same character when one's already widely circulated.

This post has been edited by Clutch: 30 December 2011 - 06:24 PM

[Overlord]

He says Sonic's world several times, see the following cutscene:



1:38, 2:43


And this is NOT a Earth vs Mobius debate topic, so let's not even START down that road.

[SpeedStarTMQ]

Damn, I can't believe I forgot about those. It's a pretty easy choice to explain, I think really they've gone for Sonic's world, because earth sounds so boring. Most things are set on earth, but, well, they are and they aren't. They're more like alternate earths, so it would be a lot better to distinguish.

Awesome.

Anyway, moving on, I wouldn't want to fuel any pointless debates on the horizon.

[Falk]

Clutch, on 30 December 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

Yeah, this isn't just "being lazy". If the community's already using a widely-accepted and perfectly fine name for a character, sometimes a developer/writer will just go with it as it's far less likely to piss people off by giving concepts a less applicable/creative/catchy name or spreading confusion by having fans learn two names for the same character when one's already widely circulated.

The best example I can think of of another high-profile company doing this would be Blizzard and the formative years of WoW. From a shit ton of raid/dungeon terminology all the way to calling set epics "tiers", Blizzard adopted a -lot- of community terms. Granted, MMOs are a lot more community driven and these really refer more to game mechanics than lore, but there you have it.

[Frozen Nitrogen]

David The Lurker, on 30 December 2011 - 05:41 PM, said:

Either way, I'm not sure what to think about Sega just taking things from the wiki and using it in official products. Because to me, all it says is that Sega does not care enough to keep track of their own franchises

You're only realising this NOW?

Anyway, even assuming that my paranoid fantasy that they're stealing our thoughts is actually true, it's not like this is anything contentious. A sensible name for an obscure enemy which may not ever have had an English official name, and a vanilla term for the planet that will stop spastic namefags from spastic-ing at the script. I agree entirely with Clutch: the potential implication that the developers import the occasional sensible term like this is a GOOD sign. The reason we came up with it on the wiki was because, contrary to DTL's assertions, Sonic lievs on Mobius teh Sanik Tripple Trubble Manuel sez it so gtfo Earthfag, but arguing about it endlessly was getting exhausting.

And I was going to add another paragraph about how the wiki - an accessible, easy-to-use, constantly-updated resource stewarded by people who actually care about the franchise and can recite the levels of every single Sonic game in order on demand - is probably a better repository for Sonic information than whatever system SEGA has, compiled by disinterested wage slaves and temps who don't know or care about the difference between a Giant Ring and a World Ring. You all saw that train wreck of a description on the S4E1 website, very obviously written by a time-harried temp who had no idea what transpired in S3&K at all. He'd have known if he'd read our wiki, that's for fucking sure.

...yeah, I was going to write that, but then I remembered that we're Sonic fans, and we do this.
So no-one should trust us with anything.
EVER.

lolololo

[Lobotomy]

Okay, so what the fuck happened to the DLC that we were supposed to get?

[ICEknight]

...When did they mention any DLC outside Casino Night?

[GT Koopa]

Got the game, beat it (not all the challenges though) loved it except for a few personal things that I didn't like.


1. Apart from Fang/Nack poster cameo (which was only done because the game designers actually surprisingly listened to that one guy) there was no 8-bit/game gear reference at all yet. Now I haven't gotten all the music or have seen the official music list, but so far they hit everywhere BUT the 8-bit/gg games. They got all advance games including battle, Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventure, even Black Knight and of course Spinball. This is kinda worrying for me.

2. From what I have seen, no Mecha Sonic/Silver Sonic appearance. Though we have Sky Sanctuary and Sonic 2 Death Egg as main playable stages. So what, we toss the classic foe aside for Metal Sonic? It doesn't help that most people think Mecha/Silver IS Metal Sonic.

[Lobotomy]

ICEknight, on 30 December 2011 - 11:27 PM, said:

...When did they mention any DLC outside Casino Night?

That's what I'm waiting for. It's been four days since it was supposed to hit Steam.