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A Brief History of Michael Jackson's Sonic the Hedgehog 3 13 years later, there are still questions left unanswered

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 02:36 PM

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Hello again, everybody. Thought that I'd drop by to talk shop about ye olde days of Michael Jackson theories and that fertile time in 2006 when pretty much anyone who'd even so much as HEARD of Sonic was trying to connect its music to the songs of Michael Jackson. As I've been moving through the Sonic franchise with my team for The Super Sonic Let's Play, we've reached Sonic 3 in the franchise timeline, and as such, I couldn't ignore an opportunity to talk about the revelations of 2006 made by Qjimbo, and all the theories and confirmations that have come in the decade since.

For some of you, there may be very little new about this. For others, this whole thing might be pretty much a brand new mindblow.
Either way, I hope you guys enjoy A Brief History of Michael Jackson's Sonic the Hedgehog 3.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 05:25 PM

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This was a great compilation of all the details we've learned about MJ's involvement in Sonic 3! It's good to have all of the more recent discoveries in one place.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think MJ was encouraged by his lawyers to distance himself from a children's game during the allegations, and while he may have been unhappy with the Yamaha2612, I think it was ultimately just a convenient excuse to cite for leaving the project, which I'm sure Sega at the time would have been relieved to accept as an official excuse so they wouldn't be thrust in a negative spotlight upon revelation of his involvement.

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Posted 21 October 2016 - 12:29 PM

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Hey, thank you! Yeah, I've wanted to cover this for a long time now, but anytime it crossed my mind, there was so recent a "here's everything we know" that it didn't make much sense. Ironically, I had already started compiling info when Qjimbo's 10th anniversary video dropped, but by that point I was more or less all-in on making it, ha. Plus, honestly, I just love doing music comparisons. We have a lot of those throughout our Let's Plays, so this was a great chance to go bigger with the idea.

I think your idea holds a lot of water - and ultimately the only person who really, truly knows for certain all of the reasons why is no longer with us, so at least that aspect of this is likely to stay a mystery forever. Plus, at the end of the day, I think we all get a bit wrapped up in the idea of a "single answer", where there may be none. Maybe it was just a coincidental combination of the Yamaha chip, the allegations, stress over the Dangerous tour... the timing was just not great amidst everything else, and sometimes deals just fall apart (hell, when we put up our first Sonic 3 video today, part of it has to do with Sega's collapsing Nike deal at the same time.

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 11:50 AM

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This is a great video, both in terms of information displayed and style. You earned a sub.

Edit: My only complaint is that the timeline should have been displayed on screen while speaking about it to help visualize.
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View PostTheKazeblade, on 20 October 2016 - 05:25 PM, said:

This was a great compilation of all the details we've learned about MJ's involvement in Sonic 3! It's good to have all of the more recent discoveries in one place.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think MJ was encouraged by his lawyers to distance himself from a children's game during the allegations, and while he may have been unhappy with the Yamaha2612, I think it was ultimately just a convenient excuse to cite for leaving the project, which I'm sure Sega at the time would have been relieved to accept as an official excuse so they wouldn't be thrust in a negative spotlight upon revelation of his involvement.


As I mentioned in the other topic: MJ apparently, as reported by Sega Power magazine, signed on to produce music for Mega CD games in 1993, and he may have assumed Sonic 3 would be one of those. Hence his disappointment at the quality of the final product.

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This is awesome. And what great timing, too. In clarinet studio a selection of us present different musically related things each week, and I decided to be a nerd and talk about Sonic and audio sampling. I was going to make it about Michael Jackson's involvement in Sonic 3, but I decided to go against it because of it taking more than five minutes to explain (as you clearly mentioned in the beginning of the video, now that I mention it). I am planning on briefly touching on it at the end of my presentation, and I will absolutely plug your video. I think you did a great job.

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Really enjoyed the video - I think it was actually a lot more fun than my 10th anniversary vid. I also had no idea it was you who realised the connection to Blood on the Dancefloor (google let me down there) so I apologize for not crediting you in my video for that find. Great stuff, real shame we were never able to get that interview with Cirocco.

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Fantastic video! Everything was incredibly thorough and so well put together. Hearing info about this whole MJ in Sonic 3 involvement is always so fascinating to me. I agree with you ricdesi though in that we may likely never truly know the reasoning behind MJ's "distancing" from the project, but maybe that's part of what makes the whole involvement such an interesting mystery. Again, great job with the video!

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Simply fantastic, ricdesi! I'm a real sucker for history and background information about games and music and such. I hope more people get to see your video. I can't imagine it not getting the attention it deserves, though, just becuz of how popular (I assume) this subject is.

I agree with Sonicandtails, though. A visual timeline would have aided in your recap of the events. For me, it's like a waterfall of information being thrown at me. I guess I'm a "visual" person.

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Oh my god, I am the absolute worst for totally abandoning the thread after starting it. Been a busy couple weeks (Halloween in particular), so I haven't quite landed back on my feet yet.

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This is awesome. And what great timing, too. In clarinet studio a selection of us present different musically related things each week, and I decided to be a nerd and talk about Sonic and audio sampling. I was going to make it about Michael Jackson's involvement in Sonic 3, but I decided to go against it because of it taking more than five minutes to explain (as you clearly mentioned in the beginning of the video, now that I mention it). I am planning on briefly touching on it at the end of my presentation, and I will absolutely plug your video. I think you did a great job.


Oh man, that sounds awesome! Hope it went/goes well, it's a really interesting subject (with more than a few if not nearly all of its roots right here and back in Sonic CulT), and I appreciate the plug! The video's been pretty amazingly successful, at least compared to the rest of our channel - it's about to crack 3600 views, which makes it our second most-viewed video of all time (and in only 20 days, that's insane!).

Considering our most watched video ("The Top Ten WORST Zelda Games (so far)") is because everyone hates our picks, I'd say that makes this our most sincerely popular video, so I can't complain!

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Really enjoyed the video - I think it was actually a lot more fun than my 10th anniversary vid. I also had no idea it was you who realised the connection to Blood on the Dancefloor (google let me down there) so I apologize for not crediting you in my video for that find. Great stuff, real shame we were never able to get that interview with Cirocco.


Thanks Qjimbo! And no worries, ha. I was actually a bit anxious about presenting the "Blood on the Dance Floor" and Credits/Final Boss bits as my own discoveries, since I wasn't 100% sure no one had mentioned them before then, but I couldn't find anything earlier so I made the leap -- if it turns out I wasn't first to the finish line on those, I'll definitely amend the video to say as much, but I can hardly blame you for not stumbling on those ancient forum posts (I almost missed them, too)

Funny story. I actually recently made contact with Cirocco again. I don't want to promise anything, but later this winter I'm considering trying to touch base with him one last time and see if there's anything left to unveil.

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Oh god, did I fuck it up? D:

As far as the visual timeline a few of you have mentioned: yeah, I fully agree. I was getting pressed for time at the end, and the timeline visuals I wanted to run with would literally have been another full day of editing that I wasn't sure I could devote to it at that point :( If anything comes of the reconnection with Cirocco (or if I expand on the video with more of Sonic & Knuckles brought into the story), I'll be making a point of bringing a visual timeline into the mix. I actually kind of don't like that I mentioned HIStory so early in the timeline, when I could have saved that and dropped the big bit about five out of six Sonic 3 musicians being involved then.

Anyway, thanks for watching, guys! I'm glad it's been going over so well, and I'm thrilled to be able to help bring this stuff to a new generation of Sonic fans and Michael Jackson fans alike!

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