Except it's true. Which is why I urge everyone with experience in Genesis music mixing to get on it right away.
The problem is that the SMPS format is difficult. There's the problem with replicating the songs—and I'm almost pretty sure no one's going to go through the tedious hex work themselves. In effect, you can create your mixes, but there's honestly no way they're going in unless someone says "Hi". Also no, in case you were thinking of getting me on the job. I'm a supporter of the official tune itself.
Can't you (not you specifically DalekSam, the general "you") just copy pieces of the in-game music hex code and paste them together within the file that plays the end credits music? I have no idea if it even works that way, I'm just guessing.
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Doing that with an SMPS track is rather more complicated, both in terms of identifying all the correct source music data, then reprogramming it to fit in a new sequence (which may effectively amount to recreating it almost from scratch). As I said, I know very little about SMPS editing, so that's a brief, vague and possibly inaccurate summary, but hopefully it illustrates that it's much more fiddly than wave remixing as it's commonly done now. As to the merits of replacing the current track, it's one of those things I've always been a bit on the fence about. ICEknight puts the point for retaining the original well - it's the closest thing we have to an official mix and the scope of this project is to stick fairly closely to official content. On the other hand, there are a couple of flaky transitions, and some omissions - a good unofficial mix with some tidier transitions in particular, and possibly more zone representation, would be something I'd consider at the very least for an optional patch - should someone volunteer to take up the baton of creating such a thing in SMPS format. I think the thing that irks me most with the current end credits situation is that if you patch in the S&K main themes, you either have to have the 0517 credits with the wrong sting at the end, or the S&K credits with no Sonic 3 zone representation. It'd be nice, if nothing else, to have the 0517 version with the S&K sting grafted on as an option, and if I ever did start to look at SMPS editing, that might well be the first thing I'd try - though I still have no current plans to do so. (FWIW, the reverse of this, I.e. S&K credits zone sequence with the S3 sting on the end, can already be found in S&K beta 0525, and shouldn't be a problem to port over to complete the set.)
I did a splice of what both Mixes might sound like together once in Audacity. (they were rips.) However, it has since been lost on my old Windows XP's now inaccessible HD. Can't even get my OS to boot up in any mode. Not even safe mode works. I just get a blue screen when the OS attempts to load. I might splice it again just for kicks later.
Hmmmm. Knuckles isn't at the top of THAT pyramid. If you're really worried about consistency/authenticity, why not just use the Sonic 3 ending theme? I'd rather have a good tune than a crap medley. Of course, it'll be good if you get a medley that actually works, but otherwise, what's the point?
You know, I think it would be cool to actually have both credits sequences in the game. I'm not sure why but maybe just so it has some use, the Sonic 3 Ending theme and credits should play after the Launch Base Zone is completed, then the game resumes after the credits. Then after beating the SK half, the S3C theme and ending plays. Don't know why you'd want to do this as it disrupts the flow of the game but it would be very cool to see regardless. Perhaps the player could skip the credits that play before Mushroom Hill with the press of a button to compensate for this. I mean, it sounds like it would be pretty complex but it would also be kind of interesting to say the least.
Actually, RSS, all I have is the MP3s. All I'm doing is just cutting and pasting the parts you asked for (while trying as hard as possible to make the transitions match up) in Audacity, so I wouldn't have expected any fancy transitions. Also, eventhough you wanted all of the levels, you're still missing Carnival Night, Hidden Palace and Death Egg I, as well, support the 0517 version.
I like the medley, too... :/ Incidentally, I like what I've played of this hack. And it's so liberating to be able to freely use my Insta-Shield even after collecting all of the Chaos Emeralds... Actually, I second that.
On that note, can you make a possible patch so that the S3 Invincible Music is played when Invincible, but the S&K Invincible theme plays when Super?
Yeah, that's pretty much why I'd requested having the original S3 credits music as an option. I'd rather use the 0517 credits, but I prefer the S&K themes, and the 0517 credits had the S3 jingle at the end, which obviously would sound kinda "not epic". I wish Sonic rom hacking is more similar to Pokemon, with Pokemon you can easily convert an midi to hex and then just import it straight to the rom, and it would sound fine (as long as you have the right voicegroups and such).
But then wouldn't we have to give the S&K tune more coverage elsewhere so it doesn't feel out of place?
Maybe, maybe. Then again, if it's only treated as an optional patch, it could be left up to the person patching the ROM exactly how much coverage both themes get. I, for example, would choose the S&K ending theme over that chronically ungraceful prototype medley any day. =P
To everyone requesting patches: I'm pretty sure Hayate is working on a sister hack that lets you tweak most of the things you're requesting using a custom program.
Ran into a music bug whilst playing in Mushroom Hill Zone just now (still am). I got an extra life while invincible, the jingle played as the invincibility was wearing off, and the Invincibility music is now playing in place of the level music. If it helps, I've added the following patch-options to my ROM: - replaced prototype medley with S&K medley - disabled Super/Hyper form cancel command I can't see either of those affecting how the music transition from invincibility to level theme works, but what do I know? I'm not a programmer. EDIT: If that's been mentioned before, sorry for being redundant.
Was playing this awesome hack tonight when I accidentally ran into a bug. I reproduced the bug in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQYJJSCJ8V4 . To do it you must initiate the transformation and immediately de-transform, both immediately after the fire-wall sound goes away, which is pretty difficult to time. Ignore the S&K invincible and miniboss music as I was using an S3&K file-select savestate. I'm more intrigued into why this bug happens rather than running into a bug.
